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China launches module for space station
« on: September 29, 2011, 07:55:06 AM »
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/story/2011-09-29/china-space-station-launch/50601506/1

BEIJING – China launched an experimental module to lay the groundwork for a future space station on Thursday, underscoring its ambitions to become a major space power.

    China's Long March 2F rocket carrying the Tiangong-1 module, or 'Heavenly Palace.'

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    China's Long March 2F rocket carrying the Tiangong-1 module, or 'Heavenly Palace.'

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China's Long March 2F rocket carrying the Tiangong-1 module, or 'Heavenly Palace.'

The box car-sized Tiangong-1 module was shot into space from the Jiuquan launch center on the edge of the Gobi Desert aboard a Long March 2FT1 rocket.

After moving it into orbit 217 miles above the Earth, China plans to launch an unmanned Shenzhou 8 spacecraft to practice remote-controlled docking maneuvers with the module, possibly within the next few weeks. Two more missions, at least one of them manned, are to meet up with it next year for further practice, with astronauts staying for up to one month.

The 8.5-ton module, whose name translates as "Heavenly Palace-1," is to stay aloft for two years, after which two other experimental modules are to be launched for additional tests before the actual station is launched in three sections between 2020 and 2022.

"This is a significant test. We've never done such a thing before," Lu Jinrong, the launch center's chief engineer, was quoted as saying by the official Xinhua News Agency.

The space station, which is yet to be formally named, is the most ambitious project in China's exploration of space, which also calls for landing on the moon, possibly with astronauts.

China launched its first manned flight in 2003, joining Russia and the United States as the only countries to launch humans into orbit and generating huge amounts of national pride for the Communist government.

However, habitual secrecy and the space program's close links with the military have inhibited cooperation with other nations' space programs — including the International Space Station.

At about 60 tons when completed, the Chinese station will be considerably smaller than the 16-nation ISS, which is expected to continue operating through 2028.

China applied repeatedly to join the ISS, but was rebuffed largely on objections from the U.S., prompting it to adopt a go-it-alone strategy.

While the program has proceeded with no apparent major problems, the launch of the Tiangong-1 module was delayed for one year for technical reasons, and then rescheduled again after a Long March 2C rocket similar to the Long March 2F failed to reach orbit in August. The incident with the rocket was investigated and problems were reportedly resolved.

Although experts see no explicit military function for the Chinese space station, the country's other space-based military programs, including the destruction of a defunct Chinese satellite with a rocket in 2007, have caused alarm overseas.

"It is a nation doing its own thing saying, 'OK, we can do what you did for our own country separate from cooperation, on Chinese terms,'" said Charles Vick, an expert on the Chinese space program with Globalsecurity.org, which tracks military and security news.

In terms of technology, the launch of the Tiangong-1 places China about where the U.S. was in the 1960s during the Gemini program. While it is planning fewer launches than the U.S. carried out, the Chinese program progresses farther than the U.S. did with each launch it undertakes, said Joan Johnson-Freese, a space expert at the U.S. Naval War College in Rhode Island.

"China has the advantage, 40-plus years later, of not having to start at the bottom of the learning curve on its human spaceflight program," Johnson-Freese said.

China's authoritarian, centralized political system also offers the advantage of freedom from political wrangles over funding and clearly defines the program's long-term goals within Soviet-style five-year plans.

Numerous challenges lie ahead, including the attempt to dock remotely — U.S. astronauts handled the maneuver from aboard their spacecraft. The Long March-5 rocket that is being prepared to launch the 20-ton modules for the actual space station also remains untested.

Still, Beijing is expected to press ahead whatever the difficulties as long as it continues to result in international prestige, domestic credibility, technological advancement, and economic spin-offs, Johnson-Freese and Vick said.

"Basically, they will get what they want regardless of how long or what it takes for the authoritarian state to accomplish the assigned tasks," Vick said.

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Re: China launches module for space station
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 07:56:31 AM »
DIE GELBE GEFAHR!!!!!

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Re: China launches module for space station
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 07:57:43 AM »
The try-out was orbiting Wong Hongs head...

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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 08:04:17 AM »
Bahahaha China is at about 1960 ;D ;D ;D

That's so fucking ignorant, christ, it really scares me sometimes when so called experts make such a statement. China is doing this shit at 1/10th the cost of our space program. Considering ours has stalled out for about 35 years with the shuttle, you have no idea what this means. The chinese are years ahead of us in their ability to create low cost space technology, it's like comparing the first gasoline engine to the model T, there's no comparison.

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 08:08:31 AM »
The try-out was orbiting Wong Hongs head...

lol

USA already planted our flag on the moon, the yellow man should keep his hands off.

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 08:19:19 AM »
Bahahaha China is at about 1960 ;D ;D ;D

That's so fucking ignorant, christ, it really scares me sometimes when so called experts make such a statement. China is doing this shit at 1/10th the cost of our space program. Considering ours has stalled out for about 35 years with the shuttle, you have no idea what this means. The chinese are years ahead of us in their ability to create low cost space technology, it's like comparing the first gasoline engine to the model T, there's no comparison.

Gooks suk !!
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 08:21:28 AM »
Gooks suk !!
Very concise I shall keep that in mind when I right my memoirs.

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Re: China launches module for space station
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 08:22:08 AM »
Nothing new in the land of the superpower.

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 08:33:47 AM »
Not bad...


Just about 30-40 years behind Russia  ::) ::)

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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2011, 08:47:44 AM »
"China launched its first manned flight in 2003, joining Russia and the United States as the only countries to launch humans into orbit and generating huge amounts of national pride for the Communist government."


HAHAHAHAH, epic


Russia (then The Great USSR) launched first manned flight in 1961.
USSR did first spacewalk in 1963.
USSR placed first ever space station on orbit back in 1971 I think.
The first human-made object to reach the surface of the Moon was the Soviet Union's Luna 2 mission on 13 September 1959

USA launched it's first manned flight just little after Ruskis. Same year I think.
USA landed a man in Moon in 1969 I think.




Ruski and American playing guitar in space back when Chinese rode to work with a donkey  ;D


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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2011, 09:04:41 AM »
"China launched its first manned flight in 2003, joining Russia and the United States as the only countries to launch humans into orbit and generating huge amounts of national pride for the Communist government."


HAHAHAHAH, epic


Russia (then The Great USSR) launched first manned flight in 1961.
USSR did first spacewalk in 1963.
USSR placed first ever space station on orbit back in 1971 I think.
The first human-made object to reach the surface of the Moon was the Soviet Union's Luna 2 mission on 13 September 1959

USA launched it's first manned flight just little after Ruskis. Same year I think.
USA landed a man in Moon in 1969 I think.




Ruski and American playing guitar in space back when Chinese rode to work with a donkey  ;D


If two car companies create a sports car, one cost 10 million dollar, the other 500k and perform identically which one is the superior technology. Surprising many people will pick the 10 million dollar car, but if they perform identically then you might wanna reconsider.

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2011, 09:15:30 AM »
If two car companies create a sports car, one cost 10 million dollar, the other 500k and perform identically which one is the superior technology. Surprising many people will pick the 10 million dollar car, but if they perform identically then you might wanna reconsider.

Dunno if they do it cheaper than Russians.
Russia currently has the most reliable and trusted spaceship fleet. That's why every country, incl USA, goes to them when they need to go to space.  

What I wanted to say is that the gap between Russia, USA and China is still huge.

I have no doubt China will be maybe even the leader on this aspect but we will have to wait a little more. Heck, they are now doing things what Superpowers did in 60's.
But I know that when Chinese get their own engineering and technology at right level, neither USA or Russia will be able to keep up with the speed.

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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2011, 09:20:04 AM »
Dunno if they do it cheaper than Russians.
Russia currently has the most reliable and trusted spaceship fleet. That's why every country, incl USA, goes to them when they need to go to space. 

What I wanted to say is that the gap between Russia, USA and China is still huge.

I have no doubt China will be maybe even the leader on this aspect but we will have to wait a little more. Heck, they are now doing things what Superpowers did in 60's.
Yeah russia spent 1/5th the amount of money we did back in the day. That's why there still the only people that still can. Our space program went bankrupt when nixon cut the shuttle program in half. It was a disaster ever since than.

Lets imagine if we had two shipping companies as that's basically what nasa is. One got your car (nissan skyline import) from japan for say $10k the other for $50k, which do you think would have the most valuable stock? Which will stay in business, which do you think has the strongest prospect for future growth. We don't even have a budget to work with anymore, and china's keep growing and growing. There currently on par but give it 10 years and we'll be begging them to use their space stations.

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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2011, 09:20:13 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2011, 09:44:56 AM »
Bahahaha China is at about 1960 ;D ;D ;D

That's so fucking ignorant, christ, it really scares me sometimes when so called experts make such a statement. China is doing this shit at 1/10th the cost of our space program. Considering ours has stalled out for about 35 years with the shuttle, you have no idea what this means. The chinese are years ahead of us in their ability to create low cost space technology, it's like comparing the first gasoline engine to the model T, there's no comparison.

yeah, but would you feel safe floating in space sat in some chinese made tat ?

just watch a chinese made umbrella totally crumple and bend in just the lightest breeze, lol

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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2011, 09:52:24 AM »
yeah, but would you feel safe floating in space sat in some chinese made tat ?

just watch a chinese made umbrella totally crumple and bend in just the lightest breeze, lol

I'd feel less safe than the crew of the Challenger.  Look how that turned out.

Accidents and hiccups will occur, but don't deny that the Chinese will outpace everyone else eventually.  Laugh at them now while you still can.

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2011, 09:59:10 AM »
I'd feel less safe than the crew of the Challenger.  Look how that turned out.

Accidents and hiccups will occur, but don't deny that the Chinese will outpace everyone else eventually.  Laugh at them now while you still can.

you're right, no doubt.. lucky for them, the chinese aren't tied up with little things liuke 'health and safety' and 'quality control' like we are

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2011, 10:02:53 AM »
yeah, but would you feel safe floating in space sat in some chinese made tat ?

just watch a chinese made umbrella totally crumple and bend in just the lightest breeze, lol
I don't need to feel safe only an idiot would jump on the top of the rocket. Again that's the whole point why spent 18 billion dollar a year protecting the lives of 6 or 7 people, if they really believe it they should take the fucking risks, we got guys going to what are basically mud huts in afghanistan, who I think would likely benefit from greater safety. Again the  russians have had a few guys die, but it's perfectly acceptable in the grand scheme of things.


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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2011, 01:22:54 PM »
Bahahaha China is at about 1960 ;D ;D ;D

That's so fucking ignorant, christ, it really scares me sometimes when so called experts make such a statement. China is doing this shit at 1/10th the cost of our space program. Considering ours has stalled out for about 35 years with the shuttle, you have no idea what this means. The chinese are years ahead of us in their ability to create low cost space technology, it's like comparing the first gasoline engine to the model T, there's no comparison.
Dude, the Chinese just showed a "Stealth fighter" prototype a few months back...a prototype.
And they have no real naval fleet--they have one aircraft carrier built off of a Russian one...yep,
they are so far ahead...in terms of tech, especially space tech
Plus, have you seen any of their cars sold in NA? Well they don't meet any of our standards.

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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2011, 07:10:40 PM »
Dude, the Chinese just showed a "Stealth fighter" prototype a few months back...a prototype.
And they have no real naval fleet--they have one aircraft carrier built off of a Russian one...yep,
they are so far ahead...in terms of tech, especially space tech
Plus, have you seen any of their cars sold in NA? Well they don't meet any of our standards.

It's not the level they're at now, it's the pace at which they are progressing.  They have a LOT to make up for.  They had a planned economy a very short time ago, so to consider what they have achieved is mind blowing, and a little sad for us.  We are not progressing, they are.  In a few short years things will be very different.

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2011, 07:14:17 PM »
Dude, the Chinese just showed a "Stealth fighter" prototype a few months back...a prototype.
And they have no real naval fleet--they have one aircraft carrier built off of a Russian one...yep,
they are so far ahead...in terms of tech, especially space tech
Plus, have you seen any of their cars sold in NA? Well they don't meet any of our standards.
I'm not talking about any other tech than space tech.  As this is what the thread is about.
Again the International space station  cost 100 billion dollars to put up. The chinese are looking to do the same at less than a 1/10th of the cost.

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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2011, 07:16:32 PM »
you're right, no doubt.. lucky for them, the chinese aren't tied up with little things liuke 'health and safety' and 'quality control' like we are

Unfortunately there really is not as much value placed on human life there as in the West.  It's always been like that and I fear it will be like that for a long time.

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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2011, 07:30:53 PM »
Unfortunately there really is not as much value placed on human life there as in the West.  It's always been like that and I fear it will be like that for a long time.

you're right.. there's always mining disasters over there (as one example), i dread to think just how bad working conditions are over there..

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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2011, 07:32:40 PM »
you're right.. there's always mining disasters over there (as one example), i dread to think just how bad working conditions are over there..


That's not a great example, there are mining disasters everywhere.  You have people in GB and the USA dying in mining accidents as well, it's just that there's a lot more mining going on in China.  It's getting better, but there just isn't as much priority placed on safety.

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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2011, 07:39:22 PM »
That's not a great example, there are mining disasters everywhere.  You have people in GB and the USA dying in mining accidents as well, it's just that there's a lot more mining going on in China.  It's getting better, but there just isn't as much priority placed on safety.

lol, you're comparing 1000s of mining deaths a year in china to the relative handful here in the west  ???

there's been 3 very recent mining deaths recently here in the uk.. its classed as shocking to some.. meanwhile there's 3 or more deaths a day down chinese mines..


anyway, i'm not disagreeing with you.. i'm just saying that what comes out of china is mostly tat.. it's the price we pay for cheap goods.. people may whinge about it, but you can bet your life their not prepared to pay the price if said goods were manufactured in the west