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House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill
« on: November 17, 2011, 07:23:02 AM »
House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill

Published November 16, 2011
| Associated Press

WASHINGTON –  A state permit to carry a concealed firearm would be valid in almost every state in the country under legislation the House passed Wednesday.

The first pro-gun bill the House has taken up this year and the first since Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., was severely injured in a gun attack in January, it had the National Rifle Association's backing and passed by a comfortable margin. The vote was 272-154, with only seven Republicans voting against it and 43 Democrats supporting it.

The Democratic-controlled Senate has no parallel bill. But two years ago, GOP Sens. John Thune of South Dakota and David Vitter of Louisiana nearly succeeded in attaching a similar measure to a larger bill.

Under the House legislation, people with a concealed carry permit in one state could carry a concealed weapon in every other state that gives people the right to carry concealed weapons.

While states have various standards for issuing such permits, currently only Illinois and the District of Columbia prohibit the concealed carrying of weapons.

"The Second Amendment is a fundamental right to bear arms that should not be constrained by state boundary lines," said GOP Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

The bill's chief co-sponsor, Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., said states should consider concealed carry permits no differently from driver's licenses recognized by all states. He noted that many states already have reciprocity agreements with other states.

The legislation would "make it easier for law-abiding permit holders to know that they are simply in compliance with the law when they carry a firearm as they travel," he said.

Democratic opponents said the bill would constitute a "race to the bottom," with states that have strict requirements for issuing permits having to accept permits from states with far more lax standards.

"It's a situation where weaker state laws become the national law," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va. He noted that some states require training for permit holders, or deny permits to those under 21 or who sell drugs to minors, commit sex offenses or are involved in domestic violence.

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the measure would allow states with tough requirements, such as New York and California, "to allow in concealed carry gun-toting people from states, such as Florida, which repeatedly have given dangerous people licenses to carry."

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., wrote President Barack Obama last week urging him to issue a veto threat against the bill. Passing the bill "would jeopardize public safety and would be an insult to states like New Jersey and New York that purposefully have strong gun ownership laws," they wrote.

The administration has not yet taken an official position on the bill.

Democrats also chided Republicans for ignoring their dedication to states' rights. "For the Republican House majority that supposedly believes in states' rights, this bill is shocking," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.

There hasn't been much legislative action on firearms issues this year. A spending bill that the House is expected to vote on this week would bar the Justice Department from consolidating firearms sales records or maintaining information on people who have passed firearms background checks.

The chief sponsors of the concealed weapon measure, Stearns and Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C., said their proposal would not create a federal licensing system but merely require states to honor one another's carry permits.

People who are unable to get a permit in their home state would not be able to carry a concealed weapon in their home state by getting a permit in another state. A state's ban on carrying concealed weapons in places such as bars, sporting events or state parks would apply to nonresidents as well as residents.

Thirty-five states have "shall issue" permit laws that usually require states to issue permits to those who meet legal requirements. Ten others have "may issue" or discretionary permit laws. Vermont, Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming do not require a permit to carry a concealed weapon.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/house-to-vote-on-concealed-firearm-permit-bill/?test=latestnews#ixzz1dyYuX3Wb

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Re: House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 07:24:14 AM »
According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the measure would allow states with tough requirements, such as New York and California, "to allow in concealed carry gun-toting people from states, such as Florida, which repeatedly have given dangerous people licenses to carry."

Speak on this 240. Is it that easy to get a gun permit in your home state? 

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Re: House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 07:29:16 AM »
it's wild easy to get a permit in FL.

You can have the guy come to your house, sign the forms, get notarized by him, and mail it in.  It's essentially a "certified dude reads me the rules, I agree, I pay him $119, and he leaves in 20 minutes".

Or you can do it at a gun show.  It's like 2 hours because they speak slower.

You send in fingerprints, they do the background check to make sure youre not under any restraining orders, no metnal things, no ongoing felonies, etc.

and the FL permit works in a bunch of other states, OH and georgia come to mind immediately.

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Re: House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 07:31:14 AM »
Now that I've ready about it - this is a great bill.

IF Obama supports it, I can't see what the NRA can possibly bitch about.
If the senate shoots it down (I don't see how they can they just need 2-3 dems to jump, right?), then nra and obama keep their wiggle room.

This is a great bill.  Nationwide concealed carry will be here in a few years.  When I got my permit (12 or 14 years ago?) most states DID NOT havve reciprocity where I could carry there.  Now, lots of them do.

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Re: House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 07:53:12 AM »
i hope this goes through so all the gun banners can die and rot in hell

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Re: House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 09:03:44 AM »


Speak on this 240. Is it that easy to get a gun permit in your home state?  [/b]

The only thing easier to get is a library card.

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Re: House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 01:01:55 PM »
LOL @ MSNBC's Martin Bashir crying on the air about people in Kentucky being allowed to carry guns in the bar (to have 1 drink)

LOL @ MSNBC's Martin Bashir crying about the timing - We shouldn't allow for this legislation on the same week that gabby and her hubby are selling a book...

"I don't hate on the 2nd amendment, BUT i think the state should have the final say..."