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"the trainer"...hahaha...Oh brother.  ::) We've got another guy who picks up dumbbells and plates at the gym for $8.00/hr spouting off here on getbig.  ::)

 I make $80 per hour bitch telling people how to train that is pretty good money and i do not spend my time obsessing over politics you need to seek professional help before you end up staring at the ceiling in a mental institution.

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How Obama's Embrace Turned Teddy Roosevelt Into a Socialist
John Nichols on December 7, 2011 - 10:24am ET

What was Fox News to do when Barack Obama went to Kansas and delivered a speech that echoed the “New Nationalism” address Teddy Roosevelt used to renew and redefine his political prospects? Obama’s oratory was not quite as radical as that of the former Republican president, but it was close enough is spirit and content to create concerns on the part of Fox commentators that the current president might be tapping into the rich vein of American progressive populism that actually moves the masses.

So the network of economic royalism did the only thing it could.

Fox broke away from Tuesday’s speech right at the point where Obama was most closely following TR’s line, with references to how the former president had declared: “Our country…means nothing unless it means the triumph of a real democracy…of an economic system under which each man shall be guaranteed the opportunity to show the best that there is in him.” And the recognition by Obama that “today, we are a richer nation and a stronger democracy because of what [Roosevelt] fought for in his last campaign: an eight-hour work day and a minimum wage for women, insurance for the unemployed and for the elderly, and those with disabilities; political reform and a progressive income tax.”

Obama had the quote right. And he had the history right.

What was Fox to do?

No problem. They dismissed Teddy Roosevelt as a socialist.

Once the details of Obama’s speech—one of the most effective and well-received of his presidency—were made available, Fox News political editor Chris Stirewelt explained: “What Teddy Roosevelt was calling for was a sort of a socialistic nationalism, in which the government would take things away from people who got things that he didn’t think they should have [and] give it to the working man. They talk about ‘the square deal,’ ‘fairness,’ all of these new mandates for government—something the Republican Party has walked away from in very decided fashion certainly since the Reagan era in terms of what the role and purpose of government is. This is Obama embracing a Republican icon of a bygone era.”

Fox host Megyn Kelly picked up on the theme: “Teddy Roosevelt was calling for something akin to a socialist nationalism. Why would President Obama want to do anything that would associate himself with that word ‘socialist’ which has been used against him by so many of the Republican presidential candidates, among others.”

Yes, Stirewelt responded, “I think the biggest thing [Obama] is trying to do is shame the Republicans. He’s trying to say: ‘Look, one of your own, a great hero of yours that’s on Mount Rushmore, he was a socialist. He called for this sort of socialist nationalism. Why are you people not being like him? Why are you not following in his footsteps?’ ”

“Obviously,” continued Stirewelt, “this is not an unalloyed good thing for the president to line up with this sort of progressivism, and this sort of liberalism and socialism that has become so much maligned and so much disliked in the modern American political discourse.”

On Fox Business News, the discussion turned to a claim that “we’re seeing the return of socialism combined with nationalsm.”

Wow.

So Roosevelt was socialistic, and Obama is adopting “socialist nationalism” by borrowing a page from the Republican commander-in-chief whom the most recent Republican presidential nominee, John McCain, hailed as his hero—as have Republican nominees in every election since the former president’s passing in 1920.

The notion that the Republican Roosevelt was a socialist would have come as news to the old Rough Rider—and to the socialist stalwarts of his time.

When Roosevelt ran for the presidency in 1904 (as a Republican incumbent) and again in 1912 (as the leader of the renegade Republicans who formed the Progressive “Bull Moose” Party), he faced determined opposition from Socialist Party nominees. Indeed, the 1912 campaign saw Eugene Victor Debs win the highest portion of the vote ever accorded to a Socialist candidate: 6 percent.

Roosevelt, in his “New Nationalism” speech at  Osawatomie, Kansas, did outline an agenda that supported the establishment of programs like Social Security and Medicare, protections against discrimination, union rights and expanded democracy. In effect, he was arguing for what, under his fifth cousin, Franklin, would come to be known as “the New Deal.”

Some of those proposals were promoted by the Socialist Party in the early years of the twentieth century, which certainly made arguments in its platforms for safety-net programs. But so, too, did moderate Republicans and Democrats. After the “Gilded Age” of robber barons and corporate monopolies, there was mainstream support for tempering the excesses of laissez faire capitalism. They weren’t proposing socialism in any form that Karl Marx might recognize but they were arguing for fairness and responsibility.

“We grudge no man a fortune in civil life if it is honorably obtained and well used,” Roosevelt said in 1910. However, recalling the language of the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, Roosevelt added, “It is not even enough that it should have gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.”

That’s hardly a radical notion. It simply says that the accumulation of great wealth ought not come at the expense of society. Or, as Obama explained in Osawatomie, “Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt’s time, there’s been a certain crowd in Washington for the last few decades who respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us. If only we cut more regulations and cut more taxes—especially for the wealthy—our economy will grow stronger. Sure, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everyone else. And even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, they argue, that’s the price of liberty. It’s a simple theory—one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. It fits well on a bumper sticker. Here’s the problem: it doesn’t work. It’s never worked.”

This is not some grand redistributionist scheme. It is economic realism. It is the vision of responsible wealth that was broadly accepted by Main Street Republicans until the advocates for a new Gilded Age bought themselves a Tea Party movement.

Roosevelt spoke for Main Street when he said 111 years ago: “The essence of any struggle for healthy liberty has always been, and must always be, to take from some one man or class of men the right to enjoy power, or wealth, or position, or immunity, which has not been earned by service to his or their fellows. That is what you fought for in the Civil War, and that is what we strive for now.”

Barack Obama is echoing that line, speaking a bit more softly and carrying a bit less of a big stick than Teddy Roosevelt. He is coming down on the side of the same basic premise that TR reached in Osawatomie: fairness.

Of course, according to Fox News, fairness is “something the Republican Party has walked away from…”

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I make $80 per hour bitch telling people how to train that is pretty good money and i do not spend my time obsessing over politics you need to seek professional help before you end up staring at the ceiling in a mental institution.
I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR 80/hr. "SALARY".  ::) You count reps for a living. lol

Here's a news flash:I do not give a shit about your meaningless opinion about me or on any other subject...nor does anyone else.  ;)
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It appears that a very bitter Victor Martinez is pissed at President Obama for doing a great job of booting out all the criminals and border-hopping illegals. ::) Once again doing the work Bush's lazy ass didn't do over his eight years as president.
Good luck in your case, Vic!

A Life in Limbo

Arnold Classic Europe Champ Victor Martinez Awaits His Fate

Exclusive interview by Ron Harris

It was Thanksgiving evening. Most of us in the USA were enjoying or had enjoyed a sumptuous feast surrounded by our loved ones in a warm, inviting home. This was not where Victor Martinez was calling me from that Thursday traditionally reserved for stuffing ourselves with turkey, gravy, cranberry sauce and pie, and relaxing in comfort on cushy sofas watching football on massive plasma screen TVs. Instead, Victor was locked up in a cold, gray correctional facility in New Jersey, away from all his friends and loved ones and surrounded by strangers, and subsisting on the cheapest, most basic foodstuffs imaginable— designed to keep inmates alive from day to day and no more. Worst of all, he did not know whether his next stop after this would be heading home to his good friends and his four children, or to the airport to board his final flight ever out of the USA, deported back to his birthplace of the Dominican Republic. This was where Victor's head was at when we spoke.

RH: Happy Thanksgiving, Vic! Not too happy, I'm sure. How long have you been in now?vic3

VM: Almost six weeks.

RH: So, your kids all came in to see you today, I assume?

VM: No, my younger daughter came in once and the other kids haven't been in. I don't want them to see me in here. I really don't want to see anybody because it makes things a lot more grim for me. They come in and leave, and I'm still here. It's just easier this way. Plus I hate to inconvenience people, and it's a whole process they have to go through just for a visit.

RH: Okay, the next question is quite ridiculous in the big picture, but all the meatheads want to know— are you holding your size?

VM: I'm down about 10 or 15 pounds I guess. I'm not sure, I'm not weighing myself.


RH: What kind of equipment do you have access to?

VM: Nothing except a chin-up bar. No weights at all. There are only so many chin-ups, push-ups and crunches you can do before it gets redundant. I'm trying not to atrophy too much, but at the same time I can't worry too much about it either.

RH: How's the food?

VM: Mostly slop. They feed you enough to keep you alive. There's stuff that looks like tuna, but it's not tuna. Stuff that looks like bologna or turkey, but it's not. A lot of “mystery meat.” They do give you tons of bread, but it's all white bread. No wheat or whole-grain in here! We can't have supplements either, or else I would be having my MHP shakes and pudding every day. I could hold my weight if I ate all the carbs and sugar, but I don't want to put fat on. The commissary here makes big bucks selling candy to the inmates. There are guys walking out of here with three or four cavities and diabetes! No thanks. I'll lose a little muscle instead.

RH: What's going on with your case?
VM: It's all up to Officer Ramos from Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He's in charge of my case and he could let me go at any time, give me bail or probation. I'm not a flight risk. Where would I go, why would I go anywhere? This is all about me trying to stay here where I've lived most of my life.

RH: How does Hudson County compare with Rikers Island, where you were for 60 days a few years ago?

VM: It's all the same. Jail is jail. You got guys in here doing federal time and others doing state time. At least at Rikers some of the corrections officers let me work out in their gym and got me some extra food. Working out would really help me mentally right now, but it's not an option.

vic1RH: Are you in danger there? Are you worried about your safety?

VM: I'm mostly worried about controlling myself if a situation came up where someone pushed me to act out to defend myself. I get very frustrated in here with this whole situation I'm in, and the only thing that's ever really helped me control my anger is training. That's where I take it all out— on the weights. It's definitely tough not having that outlet. I don't want to catch another case in here. If you get in a fight here, and especially if the other guy gets hurt bad, you can get charged for that. I let the COs know if someone is getting on my nerves and trying to start shit with me, and not because I'm scared of them. I'm scared of having a felony assault charge on top of everything else. Luckily, most of the guys who want to play a showoff by picking on the weakest guys. They don't bother me.


RH: Good to know. What's a typical day like for you in there?

VM: I got a job working in food service. I made 50 grand at the Olympia, another 50 grand at the Arnold Europe, but in here I work for a dollar a day! But I get more food this way. My shifts start at 7:00 a.m., 11:00 a.m., and 5:00 p.m. I wear an apron and gloves and serve food to the other inmates. It's just passing time. I've been doing a lot more reading, too. So far I've read four books and I'm halfway though a fifth one. I watch football when games are on, but I have to read the close captioning because it's always so loud in here except when it's lights out.

RH: So you're hoping to possibly get out in December?

VM: I spoke to an officer and I'm trying to get my case reviewed next week. I'm not expecting anything. The next hearing I definitely have scheduled is in early January.

RH: How many people in there know who you are?
VM: Most of the officers here work out and a lot of them know me. A bunch of them read MD. A couple of them work out at Bob Bonham's Strong and Shapely gym in Rutherford, New Jersey. One of the COs is Luis Camacho, who has the same trainer as me, Victor Munoz. Others ask me for advice. I don't mind giving it. What else do I have to do for the time being? They're mostly good guys, just doing their job. Not like the ICE agents that brought me here from the airport. Those guys were like robots.

RH: I assume you are hoping to do the Arnold Classic in March?

VM: Yeah, for sure I will do it if I can get out by December 10. Much later than that and I'd really be pushing it because I would need a minimum of 12 weeks to train for that. I would want to do the Flex Pro right before the Arnold too. I felt great for the Olympia and the Sheru Classic and I know I can look like that again.

RH: Why did you hire an immigration attorney from Florida? Wouldn't you have been better off with someone more local?

VM: That was someone a friend referred to me who is supposed to be one of the very best. He wasn't able to make the first hearing, but hopefully this all works out for the best.


RH: What else is going on? How's the restaurant?vic2

VM: I lost it while I was in here. Obviously I couldn't run it, and I was working on a deal to bring some other people in on it, but I was unable to make that happen.

RH: I hate to make you think of a worst-case scenario, but what if you do end up having to go live in the Dominican Republic? Would it really be so bad? You must have friends and family there.

VM: I'm not even thinking about it, because that's not what I'm fighting for. It won't happen. But theoretically if it did, I would probably set up a business in Punta Cana. Yeah, I have friends and family down there, but my kids are here. I'm not in here for me; I'm in here so I can be with them. If I didn't care about them, I would already be down in Punta Cana. Everything I do— especially the contests— is for my kids. That actually helped give me a lot more confidence to be the best. For a long time I doubted myself and didn't think I could win. Then I said to myself, stop being such a whiny bitch-ass. You got to take care of your kids!

RH: At the risk of getting confused as my legal knowledge is pathetic, can you try to make me understand how such old cases are still working against you? How old are the cases now?
VM: They go back to 2000 and 2004, but the thing is that it's not like the regular legal system where you can only be charged once for a crime. When you are not a U.S. citizen and you have a green card, you can be charged twice. And the crazy thing that's totally opposite for immigrants is that we are not innocent until proven guilty. We are guilty until proven innocent. Deportations are at an all-time high since Obama took office. Over a million people a year—1.3 million— are getting deported now. It was less than half that under Bush. Obama was elected partly by blacks and Hispanics, but he turned out to be a puppet. Bush was no saint, but at least he was bold and took a stand. Obama is weak. He won't be re-elected.

RH: Your charges were felony charges, is that what most of the immigration cases are also?

VM: Nope. Most of the people in here, at least 75 percent, are in here for misdemeanors like driving without a license. They are regular people, not thugs or felons. They are here on green cards and they work and have families. A lot of them tried to do the right thing and ask to see an immigration judge, but they still get locked up. There are some old guys in this place that are locked up because of a misdemeanor charge from 20 years ago. It's nuts.

RH: I had no idea, as I'm sure most American citizens don't. (Call interrupted for fourth time letting me know time is up) Alright Vic, I'm gonna let you go. Hopefully you get out soon and all this is just a bad memory.

VM: Me too. Happy Thanksgiving.

Statistics to ponder

Number of illegal immigrants deported

2001: 116,782

2011: 396,906

Who is being deported?

Criminal offenders 54.6%

(includes misdemeanors)

Repeat immigration violators 24.3%

and fugitives

Recent border crossers 11.6%

Others 9.5%

Source: Immigrations and Customs Enforcement

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I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR 80/hr. "SALARY".  ::) You count reps for a living. lol

Here's a news flash:I do not give a shit about your meaningless opinion about me or on any other subject...nor does anyone else.  ;)

And you collect welfare, drink 40s, wake up at 1 in the afternoon, hang out on the porch, and sell crack.   What's your point? 

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I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR 80/hr. "SALARY".  ::) You count reps for a living. lol

Here's a news flash:I do not give a shit about your meaningless opinion about me or on any other subject...nor does anyone else.  ;)

Yet he still make more than you in a day than you do in a month. That being said, I make more than you in an hour than you do in a month...lol.

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Yet he still make more than you in a day than you do in a month. That being said, I make more than you in an hour than you do in a month...lol.

That might change if Obama spreads more of the wealth from the productive to the welfare parasites like Benny.

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 Most of those people were only given their green cards in the first place for being 'Blacks and Hispanics' so maybe cry a little less and don't commit any stupid crimes as a US resident.