Gendercide or Infanticide in India and China

[Primemuscle]

Where did 4,000,000 females go? Apparently in India, having a baby girl is financial suicide, because when that girl grows up and marries the parents must provide the grooms family with a healthy and expensive dowry. As a result, Indian folk are selectively choosing to abort female fetuses or worse, sometimes killing female babies.

The phenomenon of female infanticide is as old as many cultures, and has likely accounted for millions of gender-selective deaths throughout history. It remains a critical concern in a number of "Third World" countries today, notably the two most populous countries on earth, China and India. In all cases, specifically female infanticide reflects the low status accorded to women in most parts of the world; it is arguably the most brutal and destructive manifestation of the anti-female bias that pervades "patriarchal" societies. It is closely linked to the phenomena of sex-selective abortion, which targets female fetuses almost exclusively, and neglect of girl children.

In India this practice is so widespread that it has resulted in a real shortage of available females. Many men are unable to find a woman to marry and thus remain unmarried.

It is estimated that the female population is 4,000,000 shy of what it would naturally be if this practice did not exist. Other estimates are less drastic. Gendercide Watch is aware of no overall statistics on the numbers of girls who die annually from infanticide. Calculations are further clouded by the unreliability and ambiguity of much of the data. Nonetheless, a minimum estimate would place the casualties in the the hundreds of thousands, especially when one takes into consideration that the phenomenon is most prevalent in the world's two most populous countries. Sex-selective abortions likely account for an even higher number of "missing" girls.

According to Peter Stockland, "Years of population engineering, including virtual extermination of 'surplus' baby girls, has created a nightmarish imbalance in China's male and female populations."

Interestingly, infanticide is a crime overwhelmingly committed by women, both in the Third and First Worlds. In India, ultrasounds to determine the sex of an unborn fetus for the purpose of ending the pregnancy are illegal yet still commonly practiced by doctors. Apparently, the laws are not routinely enforced. It is also not uncommon for a doctor to recommend terminating an unwanted female fetus. Most of these doctors are men.

[mass243]

Females are always a financial catastrophe.
No matter the culture or country.

[mik1111]

and still those fuckers grow in number like rabbits...

scary thought of the world in 50 years, when all there is a  bunch of people with few resources...
(copper is already scarce as shit- see power line theft)

eugenics is the way

[quadzilla456]

Sounds to me like a good plan. The less females in India and China the fewer babies will be born. They are already a vast majority and their numbers need to be more in line with the rest of the world. The same thing is urgently needed in Africa. We don't need a billion more brown people in Africa. That's gonna really help progress in the world!

[Primemuscle]

Sounds to me like a good plan. The less females in India and China the fewer babies will be born. They are already a vast majority and their numbers need to be more in line with the rest of the world. The same thing is urgently needed in Africa. We don't need a billion more brown people in Africa. That's gonna really help progress in the world!

It is interesting that the two most populace countries in the world have this issue. Eventhough the roots of this infanticide is based on a culture within a particular society, on wonders if it isn't just "mother nature" taking its course.

Some people here have suggested a world with less women would be a good thing. I am not convinced of this at all.

[_bruce_]

Many children = poor or vice versa.
Only antidote is higher living standards or a bombing.

[pillowtalk]

Where did 4,000,000 females go? Apparently in India, having a baby girl is financial suicide, because when that girl grows up and marries the parents must provide the grooms family with a healthy and expensive dowry. As a result, Indian folk are selectively choosing to abort female fetuses or worse, sometimes killing female babies.


Interestingly, infanticide is a crime overwhelmingly committed by women, both in the Third and First Worlds. In India, ultrasounds to determine the sex of an unborn fetus for the purpose of ending the pregnancy are illegal yet still commonly practiced by doctors. Apparently, the laws are not routinely enforced. It is also not uncommon for a doctor to recommend terminating an unwanted female fetus. Most of these doctors are men.

This practise is mainly carried out by the poor (Austarloid-mtDNA) underclass. They have to have more children to generate income, from begging, selling them, organ parts, etc....
& these children are more valuable if they are boys, not to mention that a boy is worth far more when it comes time for the wedding, thus more chance of marrying up the social ladder than if you have a girl.
I have known about this issue for a VERY long time as it has been going on for as long as we have written our history down. Personally, I think that x4 Million is an understatement on the figures.
TBH, the practice should be legalised & monitored properly, as we can then get rid of a large slice of the unwanted untermenschen, at the same time as keeping an eye on the figures.
As has been stated already, this is just a from of eugenics & we all know how I feel about that.

My mother/father (they are high caste Gujarati Patels') in law wanted a boy but they had a girl 1'st (my wife) so they had another child & it was a boy (my brother in-law) they then stopped. x2 kids JOB DONE.

Sounds to me like a good plan. The less females in India and China the fewer babies will be born. They are already a vast majority and their numbers need to be more in line with the rest of the world. The same thing is urgently needed in Africa. We don't need a billion more brown people in Africa. That's gonna really help progress in the world!

THIS ^^^^

PT

[Primemuscle]

This practise is mainly carried out by the poor (Austarloid-mtDNA) underclass. They have to have more children to generate income, from begging, selling them, organ parts, etc....
& these children are more valuable if they are boys, not to mention that a boy is worth far more when it comes time for the wedding, thus more chance of marrying up the social ladder than if you have a girl.
I have known about this issue for a VERY long time as it has been going on for as long as we have written our history down. Personally I think that x4 Million is an understatement on the figures.
TBH, the practise should be legalised & monitored properly, as we can then get rid of a large slice of the unwanted untermenschen, at the same time as keeping an eye on the figures.
As has been stated already, this is just a from of eugenics & we all know how I feel about that.

My mother/father (they are high caste Gujarati Patels') in law wanted a boy but they had a girl 1'st (my wife) so they had another child & it was a boy (my brother in-law) they then stopped. x2 kids JOB DONE.


THIS ^^^^

PT

In a segment of a news show I watched regarding gendercide in India, an Indian doctor was profiled. She became pregnant with twins. Her husband was insistant that she have an ultrasound to determine the  sex of the fetuses. She refused. She claimed her husband poisoned her making her very sick. While she was in the hospital and out of it, her doctor granted the husband's request by doing an ultrasound which confirmed the twins were both female. If I remember correctly, the pregnancy was too far along for an abortion and she refused to abort either or both of the babies anyway. After she'd given birth, her in-laws attempted to kill one of the girls by throwing her down some stairs. The child survived and the mother left her husband.

Presently, she lives with her parents where she is raising her daughters as a single mom. When all this came to light via the media, her employer terminated her employment.

Obviously one man can impregnate many women. Whereas most women can only produce so many children (despite that some broodmares have had a dozen kids).   So if the intent is to reduce the overall population, a shortage of females would be more successful at accomplishing this than a shortage of males or simply restricting the number of children a couple may have. This is why I find it so interesting that this practice is limited to China and India, the two most densely populated countries in the world.

[NeilGM]

Females are always a financial catastrophe.
No matter the culture or country.

Ahmen

[NeilGM]

At currennt growth rate and incuding estimations India will over take over China as the largest population on the planet before 2050

[pillowtalk]

In a segment of a news show I watched regarding gendercide in India, an Indian doctor was profiled. She became pregnant with twins. Her husband was insistant that she have an ultrasound to determine the  sex of the fetuses. She refused. She claimed her husband poisoned her making her very sick. While she was in the hospital and out of it, her doctor granted the husband's request by doing an ultrasound which confirmed the twins were both female. If I remember correctly, the pregnancy was too far along for an abortion and she refused to abort either or both of the babies anyway. After she'd given birth, her in-laws attempted to kill one of the girls by throwing her down some stairs. The child survived and the mother left her husband.

Presently, she lives with her parents where she is raising her daughters as a single mom. When all this came to light via the media, her employer terminated her employment.

Obviously one man can impregnate many women. Whereas most women can only produce so many children (despite that some broodmares have had a dozen kids).   So if the intent is to reduce the overall population, a shortage of females would be more successful at accomplishing this than a shortage of males or simply restricting the number of children a couple may have. This is why I find it so interesting that this practice is limited to China and India, the two most densely populated countries in the world.

This bit just made me roll my eyes but it in no way shocked me, not in the slightest: Her husband was insistent that she have an ultrasound to determine the  sex of the foetuses. She refused. She claimed her husband poisoned her making her very sick. While she was in the hospital and out of it, her doctor granted the husband's request by doing an ultrasound which confirmed the twins were both female.

The fact that she was living in x1 room when she went to live her parents says that they are not wealthy people. she probably ended up with a tonne of debt after finishing Med school.

People reading this will no doubt think "her in-laws tried to kill the baby by throwing down the stairs, FFS. That is some whacked out shit man!!". See, you live in the West where people get accused of 'shaken baby syndrome' & taken to court/jail for 5 years. This shit goes on here all the time!! Life is cheap in India especially with well over 1.2 Billion in the country. I personally, think that there is over 1.5 Billion but what is .3 Billion between friends.
So many of the slum dwellers/& their kids are not registered, how the fuck you are supposed to keep track of them?? I don't know.

You are of course correct, the present technique is far more successful than restricting couples to x2 children, that is why the government & the police are not enforcing the law. You will have NO trouble finding a doctor over here to perform an ultra-sound to determine the sex of a child either, even in the biggest hospitals with the highest paid doctors, most people do not even consider that law to be still in effect.

When you walk down a busy main road with buses/trucks/cars/bikes & rickshaws zapping past you 3 ft away (BTW this stretch I am talking off has NO pavement) & you see naked kids walking along the same bit of road as you with not an adult (who is in charge of the kid) in sight, you will get the idea.
No-one gives a fuck, all the people that are at the Bus-stop are looking the other way  

PT

[Primemuscle]

This bit just made me roll my eyes but it in no way shocked me, not in the slightest: Her husband was insistent that she have an ultrasound to determine the  sex of the foetuses. She refused. She claimed her husband poisoned her making her very sick. While she was in the hospital and out of it, her doctor granted the husband's request by doing an ultrasound which confirmed the twins were both female.

The fact that she was living in x1 room when she went to live her parents says that they are not wealthy people. she probably ended up with a tonne of debt after finishing Med school.

People reading this will no doubt think "her in-laws tried to kill the baby by throwing down the stairs, FFS. That is some whacked out shit man!!". See, you live in the West where people get accused of 'shaken baby syndrome' & taken to court/jail for 5 years. This shit goes on here all the time!! Life is cheap in India especially with well over 1.2 Billion in the country. I personally, think that there is over 1.5 Billion but what is .3 Billion between friends.
So many of the slum dwellers/& their kids are not registered, how the fuck you are supposed to keep track of them?? I don't know.

You are of course correct, the present technique is far more successful than restricting couples to x2 children, that is why the government & the police are not enforcing the law. You will have NO trouble finding a doctor over here to perform an ultra-sound to determine the sex of a child either, even in the biggest hospitals with the highest paid doctors, most people do not even consider that law to be still in effect.

When you walk down a busy main road with buses/trucks/cars/bikes & rickshaws zapping past you 3 ft away (BTW this stretch I am talking off has NO pavement) & you see naked kids walking along the same bit of road as you with not an adult (who is in charge of the kid) in sight, you will get the idea.
No-one gives a fuck, all the people that are at the Bus-stop are looking the other way  

PT

I am not sure where you got that she was living in one room. However, the news report did not clearly indicate what her of her parents financial status was, nor did the reporter cover what it was while she was with her husband.

What I wrote is what this mother said in the news report. I have no way of knowing whether it exactly happened as she told it or not. As we've discussed, it is really hard to know the actual facts unless one was there at the time.

What I failed to mention is that the Indian women is writing or has written a book about her experiences.

Clearly, life has less value in India. Perhaps this is a natural occurrence when populations explode. I don't know how this justifies grandparents (supposedly) trying to kill a grandchild because it is a girl. But then, my perspective comes from living in a very different society and from a different personal situation.

Having only four grandchildren myself, each one is precious to me regardless of their gender. But then, neither the two girls or the two boys will ever be a financial liability to me. On the otherhand, our daughter's wedding may have cost us slightly more than our son's and for different reasons. As is tradition in the U.S. and elsewhere, the parents of the bride pay for the bulk of the wedding and so we did for our daughter. Our son chose to marry his wife in Germany, this necessitated us traveling there for the wedding. German tradition is that the bride and groom pretty much pay for the wedding themselves. My wife and I paid for our son's honeymoon. Guess my kids and I are lucky we aren't Indian and living in India.