Ron Paul Statistically Tied For First in Iowa

[240 is Back]

Someone please inform Ron that 240's account has been temporarily highjacked by a rational person.

the entire GOP crop is maybe 5% different from one another in terms of policy, and in terms of what they'd actually do in office.*

Right now, we're basically just arguing about which canddiate will be most "sell-able" to moderate, swing voters.  

newt will punch obama in the mouth and bne snide and rude - dudes will love that, girls won't.  Mitt is vanilla and might not be as exciting.




*Ron Paul is probably the only outlier, of course.

[Soul Crusher]

You do realize that you have a much, MUCH greater chance of dieing in a car crash on your way to the polls than you do of actually swinging the election, right?

Besides, Obama has become practically moot in the past few months and this has happened even though the Democrats control the White House and the Senate. If Republicans take back the Senate but not the White House, Obama will have no power. And at the very least, a split vote between the LP and the GOP will teach future GOP candidates to move toward the libertarian wing of the party.

Also, if a Mitt Romney or a Newt Gingrich is elected President, then the GOP is setting itself up to lose to another Obama in the next couple election cycles. Those are just the facts.

So by supporting anyone but Obama, you are in essence setting up this country for a continual cycle between terrible Presidents and bad Presidents.

What state do you live in?

[howardroark]

I live in Metro Detroit. My Congressman actually ran for President... Thaddeus McCotter.

[Soul Crusher]

I live in Metro Detroit. My Congressman actually ran for President... Thaddeus McCotter.

Very smart guy. 

I live in NY.

 

[James]

You do realize that you have a much, MUCH greater chance of dieing in a car crash on your way to the polls than you do of actually swinging the election, right?

Besides, Obama has become practically moot in the past few months and this has happened even though the Democrats control the White House and the Senate. If Republicans take back the Senate but not the White House, Obama will have no power. And at the very least, a split vote between the LP and the GOP will teach future GOP candidates to move toward the libertarian wing of the party.

Also, if a Mitt Romney or a Newt Gingrich is elected President, then the GOP is setting itself up to lose to another Obama in the next couple election cycles. Those are just the facts.

So by supporting anyone but Obama, you are in essence setting up this country for a continual cycle between terrible Presidents and bad Presidents.

Yea you're right...I shouldn't even vote then


Another 20 something know it all... You're probably not even registered to vote yet.

[Soul Crusher]

Yea you're right...I shouldn't even vote then

Another 20 something know it all.  You're probably not even registered to vote yet.

At this point - I would vote for the unibomber / Zodiak killer over obama.     Those two start out with a better chance of being a good president than an obama second term.   

[Grape Ape]

At this point - I would vote for the unibomber / Zodiak killer over obama.     Those two start out with a better chance of being a good president than an obama second term.   

Have you soured on Kimbo Slice?

[howardroark]

Yea you're right...I shouldn't even vote then


Another 20 something know it all... You're probably not even registered to vote yet.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't vote. I am saying that given the chances of your vote actually swinging the election, you should vote for someone who actually represents your views.

And as I pointed out, a vote for Mitt or Newt is a vote for Obama 2 in the next election cycle or two.

[Soul Crusher]

Have you soured on Kimbo Slice?

Kimbo / Mumia is also a viable alternative to obama no doubt.   Anyone blaming ATM machines for job losses is beyond help. 

[James]

I'm not saying that you shouldn't vote. I am saying that given the chances of your vote actually swinging the election, you should vote for someone who actually represents your views.

And as I pointed out, a vote for Mitt or Newt is a vote for Obama 2 in the next election cycle or two.

FYI Ron Paul has an "R' after his name (instead of an 'I" or "L") for a good reason.  


But continue on with your great advice    

[howardroark]

FYI Ron Paul has an "R' after his name (instead of an 'I" or "L") for a good reason.  


But continue on with your great advice    

I'm a Republican too. Your point?

[Soul Crusher]

I'm a Republican too. Your point?

You must not blame ATM machines for economic woes correct?   

[James]

I'm a Republican too. Your point?

Then continue to support Paul, but if he loses in the primary, then hold your nose and vote for whatever Republican we get, as much as he or she stinks (which might be allot) as they are still better than Obama... especially when it comes to Supreme Court picks. As at this current time a vote for an Independent is a vote for Obama by splitting the anti-Obama votes, but of course if you think your one vote doesn't count, or that a vote for another republican (besides Paul) is only a "small step up" and not worthy of your vote, then go sit in the corner...or vote for an Independent, as both will have the same effect. This in part is the same reason as to why Ron Paul has an 'R' after his name.

[Soul Crusher]

[howardroark]

Then continue to support Paul, but if he loses in the primary, then hold your nose and vote for whatever Republican we get, as much as he or she stinks (which might be allot) as they are still better than Obama... especially when it comes to Supreme Court picks. As at this current time a vote for an Independent is a vote for Obama by splitting the anti-Obama votes, but of course if you think your one vote doesn't count, or that a vote for another republican (besides Paul) is only a "small step up" and not worthy of your vote, then go sit in the corner...or vote for an Independent, as both will have the same effect. This in part is the same reason as to why Ron Paul has an 'R' after his name.

Ron Paul has an "R" after his name because his goal is to change the Republican Party... if you think that will be accomplished by voting the same old crew into office, then you're wrong. The point is to get a new kind of Republican elected, the Ron Paul kind. By voting for WHOEVER the GOP nominates, you're defeating that purpose. Republican candidates need to be taught - be more libertarian, or at least more fiscally conservative, or forget about winning elections from here-on-out.

[James]

Ron Paul has an "R" after his name because his goal is to change the Republican Party... if you think that will be accomplished by voting the same old crew into office, then you're wrong. The point is to get a new kind of Republican elected, the Ron Paul kind. By voting for WHOEVER the GOP nominates, you're defeating that purpose. Republican candidates need to be taught - be more libertarian, or at least more fiscally conservative, or forget about winning elections from here-on-out.

yep, just as I thought...   

[Dos Equis]

2) Your vote doesn't matter anyway.

Yes it does.  Florida in 2000 taught us that lesson.  

[howardroark]

yep, just as I thought...   

Just as I thought... you're continually avoiding facts and you grasp at straws in order to justify your blind faith in the Republican Party.

[howardroark]

Yes it does.  Florida in 2000 taught us that lesson.  

How many votes changed the Florida election? And how many millions of people in other states had no say whatsoever?

[Dos Equis]

How many votes changed the Florida election? And how many millions of people in other states had no say whatsoever?

A comparative handful of votes changed the election in Florida.  Every vote counts.

[Soul Crusher]

A comparative handful of votes changed the election in Florida.  Every vote counts.

If you live in NYC, Illinois, Detroit, or other leftist strongholds your vote might actually count 5-6 times if its for the demo.   

[howardroark]

A comparative handful of votes changed the election in Florida.  Every vote counts.

Really... because last I remember the 2000 election didn't come down to a single vote. It came down to a couple hundred. It was not a case of "every vote counts."

[Dos Equis]

If you live in NYC, Illinois, Detroit, or other leftist strongholds your vote might actually count 5-6 times if its for the demo.   

lol

[Dos Equis]

Really... because last I remember the 2000 election didn't come down to a single vote. It came down to a couple hundred. It was not a case of "every vote counts."

If a couple hundred votes out of 6 million decided an election, then yes, every vote counted. 

[howardroark]

Uhmmm, nope. There isn't a difference if 100 votes or if 101 votes decides who wins. Especially in the American electoral system, where literally hundreds of millions of people were sitting on the sidelines.