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Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« on: December 28, 2011, 01:02:19 AM »

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 01:32:39 AM »
As Paul proceeds...

"Iowa doesn't matter...."

"The National Election doesn't really matter, it's the Electoral College that decides..."

"The Presidency doesn't really matter, it's insignificant"...


Don't forget, lots of...

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 06:29:10 AM »
While it's good to see his support in Iowa increase, his overall standing across the nation is still low.  Virginia is going to be a tough battle for him as Romney holds most of the support there.

Also it's important to remember that more times than not the person who won in Iowa did not win the nomination.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 07:17:06 AM »
Mitt Romney in striking distance of Iowa win

Once Paul got looked at by the MSM and the rest of the country he's faced the same shit as everybody else. If he loses Iowa he can really forget it.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70892.html#ixzz1hqJwCkK3

Don’t look now, but Mitt Romney suddenly seems like the Iowa front-runner.
 
The former Massachusetts governor has carefully tempered expectations in Iowa all year, visiting only a handful of times and saving the bulk of his television spending for the final weeks of the race. But as a crowd of conservative opponents keep the anti-Romney vote divided, his odds of a victory in the state that humbled him four years ago have never been better.
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Romney’s final push before Iowa
 
Even as he tried to keep talk about his prospects in check Tuesday, a slew of public and private polling and anecdotal evidence on the ground suggests that Romney is within striking distance of a first-place finish in Iowa — especially as Ron Paul’s momentum spurt appears to have run into the reality of front-runners’ scrutiny.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70892.html#ixzz1hqK0eRKI
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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 07:19:59 AM »
Mitt Romney in striking distance of Iowa win

Once Paul got looked at by the MSM and the rest of the country he's faced the same shit as everybody else. If he loses Iowa he can really forget it.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70892.html#ixzz1hqJwCkK3

Don’t look now, but Mitt Romney suddenly seems like the Iowa front-runner.
 
The former Massachusetts governor has carefully tempered expectations in Iowa all year, visiting only a handful of times and saving the bulk of his television spending for the final weeks of the race. But as a crowd of conservative opponents keep the anti-Romney vote divided, his odds of a victory in the state that humbled him four years ago have never been better.
Continue Reading
Romney’s final push before Iowa
 
Even as he tried to keep talk about his prospects in check Tuesday, a slew of public and private polling and anecdotal evidence on the ground suggests that Romney is within striking distance of a first-place finish in Iowa — especially as Ron Paul’s momentum spurt appears to have run into the reality of front-runners’ scrutiny.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70892.html#ixzz1hqK0eRKI
Great, Obama v2.republican here we come.
Although Ill take Romney over Obama anyday, but come on, why the hell cant the republican party come up with a decent candidate?

I still hope Paul somehow pulls a victory out of his ass.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 07:23:57 AM »
I'm defending Romney because he's the only guy who can beat Obama in this election. The Repub field sucks.  I'm not sure guys like Paul Ryan or Christie would have been the answer either but with the folks we have now...he's the guy with the mone and organization. RP is a joke. His nutty ties, dangerous foreign policy are not mainstream republican views. His domestic stuff is great but so far right that Congress wouldn't go along.
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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 07:35:36 AM »
I'm defending Romney because he's the only guy who can beat Obama in this election. The Repub field sucks.  I'm not sure guys like Paul Ryan or Christie would have been the answer either but with the folks we have now...he's the guy with the mone and organization. RP is a joke. His nutty ties, dangerous foreign policy are not mainstream republican views. His domestic stuff is great but so far right that Congress wouldn't go along.


Mitt is not even close to my first choice  - but compared to Obama - there is no choice. 



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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 07:37:55 AM »
Not at all.....he's not even my 3rd choice but its what we have at this point. Obama is playing golf and feeding his pig wife...this shit has gone on long enough.
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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 07:45:09 AM »
Not at all.....he's not even my 3rd choice but its what we have at this point. Obama is playing golf and feeding his pig wife...this shit has gone on long enough.


See here is the deal most people dont want to grasp.   Most second terms of presidents suck and are a let down from the first.   Reagan had iran contra, market meltdown, S&L scandals, 

Clinton had monica, the chinagate stuff, the scandals. 

GWB has valerie plame, amensty for illegals, harriet meirs, dubai ports, Katrina, and wars that dragged on.     



Obama already had his "second term" with how disastrous his first term has been.  A second term of Obama will be a catastrophe beyond anything we can imagine since not only will we have double the usual scandals and crimes, we willa also have a frustrated president who cant get anything he wants who will lash out.   He will do all sorts of shit that even his supporters will find disgusting.   



He needs to go.   

 

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 07:48:56 AM »
How come we never hear anymore about cap and trade or healthcare or any of the other so called wonderful accomplishments of the 1st Obama term that have made him our 4th greatest president. The guy now has a record and he can't run on it because he failed in everything.............. everything he did sucked.  So it will be about Romney or RP or whatever and he'll give speeches. I expect the msm to cheerlead for awhile....but I think they'll get sick of that crap as well.
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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 07:52:47 AM »
How come we never hear anymore about cap and trade or healthcare or any of the other so called wonderful accomplishments of the 1st Obama term that have made him our 4th greatest president. The guy now has a record and he can't run on it because he failed in everything.............. everything he did sucked.  So it will be about Romney or RP or whatever and he'll give speeches. I expect the msm to cheerlead for awhile....but I think they'll get sick of that crap as well.



Its going to be scortched earth and "Yes obama sucks and has failed, but ..... is worse sowe need to stick with obama"


That will be the theme.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 08:38:19 AM »
Poor GOP... being stuck between the choice of a mormon or a moron.

Should have run better candidates.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 08:42:54 AM »
Poor GOP... being stuck between the choice of a mormon or a moron.

Should have run better candidates.

LOL - Paul is a moron?   

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 09:25:41 AM »
LOL - Paul is a moron?   

Ask the GOP.  What do their "voices" say?

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 11:21:08 AM »
I'm defending Romney because he's the only guy who can beat Obama in this election. The Repub field sucks.  I'm not sure guys like Paul Ryan or Christie would have been the answer either but with the folks we have now...he's the guy with the mone and organization. RP is a joke. His nutty ties, dangerous foreign policy are not mainstream republican views. His domestic stuff is great but so far right that Congress wouldn't go along.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

There are basically three people I see winning:
1) Mitt Romney - wishy-washy, ideologically impure, no philosophical basis, poor record, typical politician. Just the kind of guy independents like.
2) Jon Huntsman - wishy-washy, ideologically impure, no philosophical basis, talks a good game, poor record, typical politician. Just the kind of guy independents like.
3) Ron Paul - ideologically pure, consistent, principled, strongly rooted in political philosophy, takes positions that would undermine Obama's base.

Basically, Romney and Huntsman would appeal to the "center" while Ron Paul would outflank Obama on foreign policy and civil liberties, thereby stealing a significant portion of his base.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2011, 01:35:18 PM »
CNN Poll: Romney on top, Gingrich fading & Santorum rising in Iowa

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Des Moines, Iowa (CNN) - Did Newt Gingrich peak too early?




A new survey of people likely to attend Iowa's Republican caucuses indicates that the former House speaker's support in the Hawkeye State is plunging. And according to a CNN/Time/ORC International Poll, one-time long shot candidate Rick Santorum has more than tripled his support since the beginning of the month.

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Twenty-five percent of people questioned say if the caucuses were held today, they'd most likely back Mitt Romney, with 22% saying they'd support Rep. Ron Paul of Texas. Romney's three point margin is within the poll's sampling error.

The poll's Wednesday release comes six days before Iowa's January 3 caucuses, which kickoff the presidential primary and caucus calendar. The Iowa caucuses are followed one week later by the New Hampshire primary.

A new CNN/Time/ORC poll of likely primary voters in New Hampshire indicates that Romney, the former governor of neighboring Massachusetts, remains the front-runner, far ahead of his rivals for the GOP nomination.

In Iowa, both Romney and Paul are each up five points among likely caucus goers from a CNN/Time/ORC poll conducted at the start of December. The new survey indicates that Santorum, the former senator from Pennsylvania, is at 16% support, up 11 points from the beginning of the month, with Gingrich at 14%, down from 33% in the previous poll. Since Gingrich's rise late last month and early this month in both national and early voting state surveys, he's come under attack by many of the rival campaigns.

According to the survey, 11% are backing Texas Gov. Rick Perry, 9% are supporting Rep Michele Bachmann, and 1% are backing former Utah Gov. and former ambassador to China Jon Huntsman, who's spending nearly all his time campaigning in New Hampshire.

Santorum is campaigning on a shoestring budget, but he's visited all of Iowa's 99 counties and has made a strong pitch towards social conservative voters, who are very influential here in Iowa on the Republican side. Wednesday Santorum was up with a new radio spot on Hawkeye State airwaves touting endorsements by social conservative leaders. His pitch may be starting to pay off.

"Most of Santorum's gains have come among likely caucus participants who are born-again or evangelical, and he now tops the list among that crucial voting bloc, with support from 22% of born-agains compared to 18% for Paul, 16% for Romney, and 14% for Gingrich," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

The survey suggests that turnout on January 3 could be crucial in determining who comes out on top in the caucuses.

"Santorum and Paul may benefit from lower turnout, since they have an edge over Romney among likely voters who say that 'nothing at all' would prevent them from attending the caucus," says Holland. "On the other hand, Romney appears to have an edge among those who attended the caucuses four years ago - he did finish in second place in 2008 – and Romney does best among older Iowans."

As a result, the poll suggests it's difficult to predict exactly whose supporters will show up at the caucuses and whose supporters will stay at home.
"Add in the fact that nearly half of Iowa respondents say they are undecided or could change their minds and it looks like Iowa is a wide open contest," adds Holland.

In New Hampshire, the CNN/Time/ORC poll indicates that Romney remains the overwhelming front runner. He's supported by 44% of likely GOP primary voters, up nine points from earlier this month.

Paul is at 17%, with Gingrich at 16%, down ten points from early December. Huntsman, who's hoping for a strong finish in the Granite State, is at 9%, with Santorum at 4%, Bachmann at 3%, and Perry at 2%.

"Iowa and New Hampshire are close together on the electoral calendar, but the two states are different in many significant ways," says Holland. "Born-again voters are less prevalent in New Hampshire, and only a third of New Hampshire likely voters say that moral issues such as abortion or gay marriage will be extremely or very important to their vote; in Iowa. More than half of likely caucus participants say that."

The poll indicates that Romney comes out on top in both states when likely voters are asked to name the GOP candidate who best represents the personal characteristics a president should have, and in both states he has a commanding lead when likely voters are asked which candidate has the best chance to defeat President Barack Obama in November.

But when likely caucus-goers in Iowa are asked to name the candidate who agrees with them the most on major issues, it's Paul who tops the list. And while Romney leads on that question in New Hampshire, it's where he gets his lowest marks from Granite State voters.

Fortunately for Romney, this may not be an issues-driven contest. In Iowa, only 44% say that issues are more important than the candidates' personal qualities; in New Hampshire, only 37% feel that way.

The CNN/Time poll was conducted by ORC International from Dec. 21-24 and Dec. 26-27, with 452 voters who are likely to participate in the Iowa Republican caucuses and 543 who are likely to vote in the New Hampshire Republican primary questioned by telephone. The New Hampshire survey's sampling error is plus or minus four percentage points. The Iowa poll's sampling error is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

 






I could live with Santorum over Romney or Newt.   

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2011, 01:45:25 PM »
what a clusterfuck.


there's only 1 group of republicans that are enthusiastic about their candidates.  Guess who?

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2011, 01:58:51 PM »
Urprise CNN poll different results then 10 other polls I could post right now.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2011, 02:00:23 PM »
Urprise CNN poll different results then 10 other polls I could post right now.

I buy it - Ron Paul seems to be trending in the 20%-25% range in every poll. It's just a matter of how many votes the "other" candidate gets, whoever that is at the moment.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2011, 02:05:18 PM »
I buy it - Ron Paul seems to be trending in the 20%-25% range in every poll. It's just a matter of how many votes the "other" candidate gets, whoever that is at the moment.

check this out.

Rick Santorum leaps into 3rd place in our Iowa poll, ahead of Gingrich and Paul.  ???


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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2011, 02:40:44 PM »
Santorum Claus.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2011, 01:50:05 PM »
New Iowa Poll May Understate Paul’s Support
 
By NATE SILVER
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/new-iowa-poll-may-understate-pauls-support/

I’m not always a big fan of dissecting individual polls — mostly because there are liable to be a plethora of them in Iowa and New Hampshire over the next several days and their errors will tend to be mitigated as more are added to the average.

Nevertheless, the new CNN poll of Iowa contains a methodological quirk that is worth bringing to your attention and which will probably result in the survey underestimating the support for Ron Paul.

The issue is that CNN’s Iowa poll was conducted by using a list of registered Republican voters and registered Republicans only:


Sample was drawn from the complete list of registered Republican voters provided by the Iowa Secretary of State.

What’s wrong with using a list of Republican voters for a Republican caucus poll? The answer is that it’s extremely easy for independent and Democratic voters to register or re-register as Republicans at the caucus site. Historically, a fair number of independent voters do this.

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Re: Paul: 24, Romney: 20, Gingrich: 13 (Iowa)
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2011, 02:22:38 PM »
New Iowa Poll May Understate Paul’s Support
 
By NATE SILVER
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/new-iowa-poll-may-understate-pauls-support/

I’m not always a big fan of dissecting individual polls — mostly because there are liable to be a plethora of them in Iowa and New Hampshire over the next several days and their errors will tend to be mitigated as more are added to the average.

Nevertheless, the new CNN poll of Iowa contains a methodological quirk that is worth bringing to your attention and which will probably result in the survey underestimating the support for Ron Paul.

The issue is that CNN’s Iowa poll was conducted by using a list of registered Republican voters and registered Republicans only:


Sample was drawn from the complete list of registered Republican voters provided by the Iowa Secretary of State.

What’s wrong with using a list of Republican voters for a Republican caucus poll? The answer is that it’s extremely easy for independent and Democratic voters to register or re-register as Republicans at the caucus site. Historically, a fair number of independent voters do this.





That's not a problem with the poll methodology though.

It is weird out there...they can just flip right at the fucking door, lol.