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Crackpots Do Not Make Good Messengers
« on: January 03, 2012, 02:16:19 AM »
Crackpots Do Not Make Good Messengers
By Kevin Drum | Mon Jan. 2, 2012


So then: Ron Paul. Should we lefties be happy he's in the presidential race, giving non-interventionism a voice, even if he has other beliefs we find less agreeable? Should we be happy that his non-mainstream positions are finally getting a public hearing? This is a depressingly common view. For example:



Can we talk? Ron Paul is not a charming oddball with a few peculiar notions. He's not merely "out of the mainstream." Ron Paul is a full bore crank. In fact he's practically the dictionary definition of a crank: a person who has a single obsessive, all-encompassing idea for how the world should work and is utterly blinded to the value of any competing ideas or competing interests.

This obsessive idea has, at various times in his career, led him to: denounce the Civil Rights Act because it infringed the free-market right of a monolithic white establishment to immiserate blacks; dabble in gold buggery and advocate the elimination of the Federal Reserve, apparently because the global economy worked so well back in the era before central banks; suggest that the border fence is being built to keep Americans from leaving the country; claim that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional and should be dismantled; mount repeated warnings that hyperinflation is right around the corner; insist that global warming is a gigantic hoax; hint that maybe the CIA helped to coordinate the 9/11 attacks; oppose government-sponsored flu shots; and allege that the UN wants to confiscate our guns.

This isn't the biography of a person with one or two unusual hobbyhorses. It's not something you can pretend doesn't matter. This is Grade A crankery, and all by itself it's reason enough to want nothing to do with Ron Paul. But of course, that's not all. As we've all known for the past four years, you can layer on top of this Paul's now infamous newsletters, in which he condoned a political strategy consciously designed to appeal to the worst strains of American homophobia, racial paranoia, militia hucksterism, and new-world-order fear-mongering. And on top of that, you can layer on the fact that Paul is plainly lying about these newsletters and his role in them.

Now, balanced against that you have the fact that Paul opposes the War on Drugs and supports a non-interventionist foreign policy. But guess what? Even there, he's a crank. Even if you're a hard-core non-interventionist yourself, you probably think World War II was a war worth fighting. But not Ron Paul. He thinks we should have just minded our own damn business. And even if you're a hardcore opponent of our current drug policy — if you think not just that marijuana should be legalized, not just that hard drugs should be decriminalized, but that all illicit drugs should be fully legalized — I'll bet you still think that maybe we should retain some regulations on a few of the worst drugs. They're pretty dangerous, after all, and no matter how much you hate the War on Drugs you might have a few qualms about a global marketing behemoth like RJ Reynolds having free rein to advertise and sell anything it wants, anywhere it wants, in any way it wants. But not Ron Paul. As near as I can tell, he just wants everything legalized, full stop.

Bottom line: Ron Paul is not merely a "flawed messenger" for these views. He's an absolutely toxic, far-right, crackpot messenger for these views. This is, granted, not Mussolini-made-the-trains-run-on-time levels of toxic, but still: if you truly support civil liberties at home and non-interventionism abroad, you should run, not walk, as fast as you can to keep your distance from Ron Paul. He's not the first or only person opposed to pre-emptive wars, after all, and his occasional denouncements of interventionism are hardly making this a hot topic of conversation among the masses. In fact, to the extent that his foreign policy views aren't simply being ignored, I'd guess that the only thing he's accomplishing is to make non-interventionism even more of a fringe view in American politics than it already is. Crackpots don't make good messengers.

Now, if you literally think that Ron Paul's views on drugs and national security are so important that they outweigh all of this — multiple decades of unmitigated crackpottery, cynical fear-mongering, and attitudes toward social welfare so retrograde they make Rick Perry look progressive — and if you've somehow convinced yourself that non-interventionism has no other significant voices except Ron Paul — well, if that's the case, then maybe you should be happy to count Paul as an ally. But the truth is that you don't need to. Ron Paul is not a major candidate for president. He's never even been a significant presence as a congressman. In a couple of months he'll disappear back into the obscurity he so richly deserves. So why get in bed with him? All you'll do is wake up in March with a mountain of fleas. Find other allies. Make your arguments without bothering to mention him. And remember: Ron Paul has never once done any of his causes any good. There's a good reason for that.


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Re: Crackpots Do Not Make Good Messengers
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 03:37:33 PM »
BUMP for the getbig Paultards!  :P
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Re: Crackpots Do Not Make Good Messengers
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 04:44:27 PM »
Ron Paul is good in my book.  I vote Obama, if not Obama my second choice would be Paul.

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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 05:09:29 PM »
Ron Paul is good in my book.  I vote Obama, if not Obama my second choice would be Paul.


dumb is too mild an adjective  ::)
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Re: Crackpots Do Not Make Good Messengers
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 05:26:51 PM »
the federal reserve is a private bank owned by non-americans who loan the American people their own wealth back to them at interest. 


but maybe you're just a moron....

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Re: Crackpots Do Not Make Good Messengers
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 05:27:21 PM »
Paul is the best man for the job. We need radical change at this point, he offers that and will not compromise.

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 05:35:35 PM »
the federal reserve is a private bank owned by non-americans who loan the American people their own wealth back to them at interest. 


but maybe you're just a moron....
lol
There is no "maybe" to the fact that you are a fucking idiot.



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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 07:03:41 PM »
I guess I need to slow it down so you can sound the words out and understand their meaning.

the... federal... reserve... is... a... private bank owned by non-americans who... loan... the American people... their own wealth back to them at interest

The Constitution demands that congress create interest free currency for the American people.  The national debt is the interest Americans owe on their own wealth to a private bank that creates money based on the credit of the American people. 

You can attach whatever pics you want in response...it doesn't change the facts.

debt=slavery 

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2012, 07:06:22 PM »
BUMP for the getbig Paultards!  :P

Bump for the ghetto marxist thug who adores a failed Kenyan fraud who blames ATM machines for job losses. 

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2012, 07:11:55 PM »
I have met Ron Paul when I was going to the University of Houston and conversed with him at length...the assessment of him at the top of this thread is accurate.

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2012, 07:55:50 PM »
I guess I need to slow it down so you can sound the words out and understand their meaning.

the... federal... reserve... is... a... private bank owned by non-americans who... loan... the American people... their own wealth back to them at interest

The Constitution demands that congress create interest free currency for the American people.  The national debt is the interest Americans owe on their own wealth to a private bank that creates money based on the credit of the American people. 

You can attach whatever pics you want in response...it doesn't change the facts.

debt=slavery 


I guess I need to slow it down so you can sound the words out and understand their meaning.

YOU...ARE...A...FUCKING. ..IDIOT.
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2012, 07:56:31 PM »
I have met Ron Paul when I was going to the University of Houston and conversed with him at length...the assesment of him at the top of this thread is accurate.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2012, 08:01:28 PM »
BOOM

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Only a ghetto Marxist could possibly attack Paul while cheering on a fool who blames ATM machines for job losses. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2012, 08:10:42 PM »
Only a ghetto Marxist could possibly attack Paul while cheering on a fool who blames ATM machines for job losses. 
lol @ PEA BRAIN, who is the only person in this thread who we all know is miserable and lives in the "ghetto," and is dumber than a box of rocks.
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2012, 08:12:10 PM »
lol @ PEA BRAIN, who is the only person in this thread who we all know is miserable and lives in the "ghetto," and is dumber than a box of rocks.

Can you point me to Obamas transcripts? 

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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2012, 08:21:35 PM »
Can you point me to Obamas transcripts? 
Don't have to and don't need to, PEA BRAIN. He is the president and you are a miserable, low-life piece of shit.

Now that we have established the hierarchy of the situation, surely even someone as feeble-minded as yourself can understand that your question is to be met with a laugh and a dismissal.   ;)
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2012, 08:23:48 PM »
Don't have to and don't need to, PEA BRAIN. He is the president and you are a miserable, low-life piece of shit.

Now that we have established the hierarchy of the situation, surely even someone as feeble-minded as yourself can understand that your question is to be met with a laugh and a dismissal.   ;)

Obama has not so much as handles a traffic ticket in court correct? 

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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2012, 09:00:56 PM »
Benny B - You have the political knowledge of Vince Basile.



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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2012, 09:14:47 PM »
Benny B - You have the political knowledge of Vince Basile.

Sorry gimmick "Marshdogg", but I can't speak for Basile's knowledge of American politics. Considering the fact that he's not from the U.S., your comment seems a bit unfair.

Since you have stepped up so authoritatively, why don't you "wow" the rest of us with your assessment of the political issues of the day, "Marshdogg"?  :-\
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2012, 09:20:14 PM »
Sorry gimmick "Marshdogg", but I can't speak for Basile's knowledge of American politics. Considering the fact that he's not from the U.S., your comment seems a bit unfair.

Since you have stepped up so authoritatively, why don't you "wow" the rest of us with your assessment of the political issues of the day, "Marshdogg"?  :-\

It's ironically funny that you're so paranoid about people with a short history on GetBig. Care to share?