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Drug Legalization
« on: January 06, 2012, 10:17:37 PM »
What do you all think?

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Re: Drug Legalization
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 10:45:02 PM »
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Re: Drug Legalization
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 10:49:08 PM »
His old clips are gospel. 

Fuck yeah.

But what do you think about drug legalization? I'm assuming that because you said that you think that drugs should be legal?

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Re: Drug Legalization
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 10:50:43 PM »
Fuck yeah.

But what do you think about drug legalization? I'm assuming that because you said that you think that drugs should be legal?

Other than too much booze , o have never done coke , pot, LSD, heroin, etc.  I think the WOD is a massive fail. 

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Re: Drug Legalization
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 07:25:54 AM »
Other than too much booze , o have never done coke , pot, LSD, heroin, etc.  I think the WOD is a massive fail. 
I have - I wave been an addict.
The WOD is bullshit, but most drugs shouldnt be legal - hardcore coke, meth, heroin, users and pieces of shit, I dont think I ever met one that was worth a goddamn. They lie, cheat, steal, etc.... Thats the biggest reason that helped me with my sobriety was that I couldnt stand being around those people, I cant stand theifs.

If its legal, it would cut down on the illegal dealing sure, however robbery of the stores controlling the substances would skyrocket. The violence and death cause by those people wouldnt change IMO - theyd still spend their whole check on it and be out jacking people in 2 days to get more. Violence, crime, poverty follow Meth, Coke, Heroin everywhere. Its not something (most) people can control (Id argue that no one can, except maybe cocaine).

What worries me is if theyre legalized, how many more people would start using than do now? If substantially more people started using them, I think the change in crime would go down due to no more street corner dealers shooting each other over bad deals, but go up in the sense that the users will be committing more robberies and thefts to try and aquire money/drugs.

HOWEVER, I think the money we spend fighting the drugs is rediculous. People who want to use are going to use. I dont have an answer. Having lived that live I can tell you flat out legalization is not the right thing to do, there is no way ANYONE should ever think its ok to do these drugs (I used to know many who did, one man said as soon as his kid was in his teens he was going to introduce him to meth :'() And you know there are many people who will think those things are acceptable simply because they were legal.

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Re: Drug Legalization
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 07:43:08 AM »
Would more people be addicts if drugs were legalized? Sure. But as a result of legalization, drug prices would go down, so you'd have LESS theft, burglaries, robberies, etc. by people trying to fund their habit.

And, TBH, I don't think that drug usage would EXPLODE... Many people still want jobs and have life goals, they will not become addicts. Myself, I've tried heroin, speed, and other highly addictive drugs (mainly opiates) and have never became addicted. For me, addiction isn't worth it, and I think many people are of the same mind. BTW, when all drugs were legal in the early 1900s, about 1% of the American public was addicted to some kind of drug - that's not very much. Moreover, some of these drug addictions can coexist with a somewhat normal life - for example, heroin addiction used to be popular among middle class white women who were by almost all definitions "respectable." It's really the drug war that has fueled the thievery, the despicable behavior, etc. More recently, coke used to be popular with many successful investors on Wall Street. In fact, I know a successful investor who smokes weed every day and snorts coke somewhat regularly (not every day, but on a weekly basis). There are a lot of completely moral and legal things that people can do in order to fund their addiction.

There are other benefits that would come with legalization:
- No more exploding meth labs in neighborhoods.
- Drugs would come in standard doses, thereby greatly cutting down on overdose.
- Drugs would not be contaminated with other chemicals, thereby cutting down on other health issues.
- Significantly reduced gang violence and no more full-scale wars between drug cartels.
- Drug addicts would be more willing to seek help from the medical community, etc. since they'd no longer fear being legally punished.

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Re: Drug Legalization
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 08:02:12 AM »
Isn't something like 50% of police efforts or budgets go to drug enforcement?

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Re: Drug Legalization
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2012, 08:09:40 AM »
Would more people be addicts if drugs were legalized? Sure. But as a result of legalization, drug prices would go down, so you'd have LESS theft, burglaries, robberies, etc. by people trying to fund their habit.

And, TBH, I don't think that drug usage would EXPLODE... Many people still want jobs and have life goals, they will not become addicts. Myself, I've tried heroin, speed, and other highly addictive drugs (mainly opiates) and have never became addicted. For me, addiction isn't worth it, and I think many people are of the same mind. BTW, when all drugs were legal in the early 1900s, about 1% of the American public was addicted to some kind of drug - that's not very much. Moreover, some of these drug addictions can coexist with a somewhat normal life - for example, heroin addiction used to be popular among middle class white women who were by almost all definitions "respectable." It's really the drug war that has fueled the thievery, the despicable behavior, etc. More recently, coke used to be popular with many successful investors on Wall Street. In fact, I know a successful investor who smokes weed every day and snorts coke somewhat regularly (not every day, but on a weekly basis). There are a lot of completely moral and legal things that people can do in order to fund their addiction.

There are other benefits that would come with legalization:
- No more exploding meth labs in neighborhoods.
- Drugs would come in standard doses, thereby greatly cutting down on overdose.
- Drugs would not be contaminated with other chemicals, thereby cutting down on other health issues.
- Significantly reduced gang violence and no more full-scale wars between drug cartels.
- Drug addicts would be more willing to seek help from the medical community, etc. since they'd no longer fear being legally punished.
Dont get me wrong I agree with a lot of what you said, Its just the kind of junkies I used to see when I would score, none of them would ever have a legal job, the cheaper the drugs simply meant the more of them they would do, and they never had any money they didnt grift from someone (Me several times, cock suckers.)

But my experience was with the worst of the worst, which I guess is not indicative of every drug user. The people I saw always desenced from snorting here and there, to smoking, to shooting. (myself included) And it didnt matter how much the drug costs, because they would be hooking/b&e to get 5 fucking bucks (Several times I just gave those people 5 or 10 bucks so they WOULDNT go break into some poor bastards house, never again though. Took me a bit to learn that addicts will take whatever help you give them and go right back to doing what they were doing.)  Those kind of users wouldnt change their habits even if drugs were legal, because they never had jobs, never had money, and never knew how to live a normal life.

Again though - those were hardcore addicts. Me, Im an addict. I cannot touch any of that shit without my life going out of control. Those people - didnt matter what happened with their lives, how out of control it got, how bad it got. Id see them get out of jail weeks later, through their heroin kick, only to be right back on cause "they were bored but werent getting back into it". Lol.

Youre probably right on most of what you said though, the kind of people im talking about will never live a normal life, and they are the bottom 10%, and are probably not indicative as users as a whole. I just know that the people I ran with - they were bad. And legalizing shit for them wouldnt change anthing. It would just change their strategies. However I cant see it changing them for the worst either, so IMHO all the money saved by cutting out the drug war would be worth it.