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Why Romney dominates debates
« on: January 09, 2012, 04:25:16 PM »
Did not see the second NH debate, but here is one man's take.  I heard the comment once before about Ron Paul's lack of legislative accomplishments.  What are they?  

Why Romney dominates debates
By Todd Graham, Special to CNN
updated 6:00 AM EST, Mon January 9, 2012

(CNN) -- After watching two Republican presidential debates in less than 12 hours, I was thinking about how I coach my debate teams when debating the same opponents in a very short period of time. My main advice: Correct your errors without overdoing it.

I'll be blunt: There was a lot of coaching that needed to be done in the past 12 hours. The front-runner, Mitt Romney had a great first debate, and his opponents were underprepared. Why was Romney so good in the first debate? He knows how to handle attacks better than his opponents.

The verbal aggressiveness stepped up in these two debates because money is flowing and advertising is flying. The attack ads against the front-runners (I'll focus on the three top vote-getters in Iowa) are now topics in the debates. This places those being attacked on the defensive, which requires a different debating style from what most of the candidates are accustomed to, and it showed.
 
There is a simple debating strategy when answering attacks: "Backward-step-pivot-forward." First, put up a robust defense -- defend your positions thoroughly (backward-step). And second, figure out how to turn your potential weakness into strength. In other words, start with defense and then attempt to make that same issue part of your offense (pivot-forward).

Who accomplished that in the first debate? Mitt Romney. He is especially good at the "pivot-forward" part of this formula. On the topic of jobs and the private sector, Romney was attacked in the debate on two counts. First, rivals said being a "manager" is not the same as being the commander in chief and running a country. However, Romney answered by stating that business leaders are not just managers. They are leaders. (Notice the pivot?)


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Christie takes on protesters Romney redefined the debate and then reminded everyone that our president needs to be a good leader, and being a business leader is similar to being president, especially when dealing with the economy. Once he redefined the term from manager to leader, it was all offense from there.

Romney goes from defense to offense better than anyone on that stage. The next attack was that the investment firm he ran downsized and broke up companies. Romney said that sometimes investments don't work and he learned from that. It "pained" him to downsize in order to make a company more successful (beginning the pivot-forward) and he asserted that he helped create over 100,000 jobs.

Romney finished by reminding the audience that if you want to create jobs as president, it would help if you had actual experience in the private sector doing just that -- creating jobs. Plus he got the bonus of being able to name companies that everyone has heard of, like Staples and Sports Authority. That is such sweet debating. Backward-step-pivot-forward.

Contrast that with Rick Santorum. He was attacked for the first time in these debates, and while his defense was fine, he remained on defense for the entire topic. Santorum was continually defending against Ron Paul's attacks that he was a big-spending, big-government insider. He was unable to make the pivot and turn this into anything potentially positive, keeping him off topic and off message.

Ron Paul also did not defend well against a particularly sharp criticism in the second debate, when Santorum said that Paul never passed any legislation of any importance and has no track record. His main criticism of Paul was that Paul cannot accomplish any of his agenda that Republicans might favor because Paul has been unsuccessful working with anyone to get anything done while he has been in Congress.

However, as commander in chief, Paul would be able to do exactly what Republicans do not want done (such as pulling troops out overseas). Paul's defense was that he has the support of the American people, and that if he did not work well with Congress, it would be because Congress is out of touch. But this defensive answer did not address Paul's main perceived weakness during this primary season: getting more Republicans to vote for him.

I began this analysis by saying that Romney's opponents needed some coaching for the second debate. At the beginning of the debate, it looked as though everyone had taken advice to be more aggressive toward Romney. There was a unified focus by Santorum, Paul, and Newt Gingrich to hammer away at Romney and not let him off the hook.

For a while, it was effective (especially on Romney being a career politician), and I thought Romney would be in real trouble. Remember, this was Romney's best point in the first debate (his private sector leadership) and the other candidates were not going to let him score on that point again.

But then they lost steam. After the first series of questions, the challenges to Romney disappeared. Why? Either the other candidates stopped the direct attacks because they were worried about overcorrecting, appearing rude, and alienating voters (Gingrich came close when he told Romney to "drop the pious baloney") -- or in the heat of the moment, they forgot their coaching once the second debate was under way (which I can assure you from experience happens way too often).

In either case, after two grueling debates, because of good debating by Romney and sometimes poor debating by his rivals, the former Massachusetts governor has probably only solidified his position with potential Republican voters.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/08/opinion/graham-romney-edge-debates/index.html

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 04:54:54 PM »
You wanna know why he does well?

This is why. Reporters are supposed to just report facts but often cant hide their bias and it hurts candidates. All one hasto do is look at her last name and then it all becomes clear, especially when you understand Ron would end aid to Isreal. Its not the end all and be all but it makes a big difference when you have people in the media not like you.

Dana Bash Shwartz worried about Ron Paul doing well. Hard to win over the public when the media hates you for their own personal reasons and twists facts, omits the turth, reports on heresay.



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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2012, 05:08:13 PM »
Romney is doing well because reporters like Dana Bash are biased against Ron Paul? 

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2012, 05:09:54 PM »
Take what I feel about RP out of it...who's the most polished? Santorum is angry, Perry is inarticulate, RP comes off whiny, Newt..despite being a great debater..has to much baggaage to overcome. Only a Dem with any of those drawbacks would get a pass. RP has to much baggage and the media isn't buying his answers on the news letters. Why would they...progressives are the supposed saviors of the minority classes. Its easier to blame RP without looking deeper. They gave Obama a pass despite the mountain of evidence that he was ill prepared and a friggen commie. Santorum had a great interview on Beck that explained his odd comments and his stance on alot of social issues that the media keeps using to divide the GOP field. The GOP needs to stop the attacks. I think RP and Romney,Huntsman and Santorum would all agree. I'm not so sure about Newt. Romney slides through because he's either that good or the Dems feel that Obama can beat him. There's a poll today that said both RP and Romney are tied with Obama...I think thats great. If anybody else gets there, Obama should pack now.
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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 05:10:58 PM »
Romney is doing well because reporters like Dana Bash are biased against Ron Paul? 

Like I said, it isnt the end all be all but are you denying that if the the big tv news networks don't like you, it's a huge blow to your chances? Its not just her, Chris Wallace says the same things this woman does. The Jon Stewert video did a great job of showing how bad it is. She is a reporter, her personal opinion means jack shit, she needs to report the facts and not put any slant on things that arent there.

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2012, 05:13:39 PM »
Wallace is a lib......hides it but a lib. In any event I'm going to practice from here on out what the GOP should be preaching....not attacking RP supporters or each other...atleast your 75% normal.
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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2012, 05:14:38 PM »
it's because he turns his whole body, instead of just his head, to face other candidates when they are talking. Makes him seem to be the one in control of the room.  ;D

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2012, 05:14:55 PM »
Wallace is a lib......hides it but a lib. In any event I'm going to practice from here on out what the GOP should be preaching....not attacking RP supporters or each other...atleast your 75% normal.

lol thanks, I think.

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2012, 05:17:22 PM »
Like I said, it isnt the end all be all but are you denying that if the the big tv news networks don't like you, it's a huge blow to your chances? Its not just her, Chris Wallace says the same things this woman does. The Jon Stewert video did a great job of showing how bad it is. She is a reporter, her personal opinion means jack shit, she needs to report the facts and not put any slant on things that arent there.

No, I don't think it's a huge blow.  It doesn't help, but if a candidate is good or lousy debater, the media cannot change that.  The media hated Dubya and he was elected twice.  

I think most objective people watching the debates can see how well Romney performed.  Same with Newt.  Regardless of what people think about where they stand on the issues, they are both very solid debaters.  

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2012, 05:18:16 PM »
Nope...no more attacking u or the other guy....give you two a TS clearance and a week to sit through the shit I've sat through and you'd ask Ron to rethink some of his ideas as regards our friends in the Middle East. But they aren't as important as the debt/jobs/economy. Can't pay for hovertanks and ray guns without a booming economy.
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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 05:19:20 PM »
If you saw how he handled the ridiculous contraception question during the first NH, that gives you an idea of how well he handles himself.  That's a large part of the reason why he has performed well IMO.  

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 05:19:22 PM »
  I heard the comment once before about Ron Paul's lack of legislative accomplishments.  What are they? 





Yeah, I brought this up before and I believe only 1 that he sponsored ever became law, the overwhelming majority never even left committee.

It's a horrible record.

Now, from our discussions on here, Hugo pointed out that the Congress will probably not be apt to fight a member of their own party - certainly not on a regular basis.  Throw in the regular compromise that all politicians have to do and I think that's a fairly good argument that RP could get some things past, including major legislation. 

Of course, depends on how the Congress fairs for this election as well.

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 05:21:10 PM »
He would get alot passed.....the GOP is going to control the whole show in 2012. But the GOP would force RP to appoint moderates etc to the cabinet....games would be played behind the scenes.
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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 05:24:25 PM »
Romney dominates debates?    ???

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 05:24:37 PM »



Yeah, I brought this up before and I believe only 1 that he sponsored ever became law, the overwhelming majority never even left committee.

It's a horrible record.

Now, from our discussions on here, Hugo pointed out that the Congress will probably not be apt to fight a member of their own party - certainly not on a regular basis.  Throw in the regular compromise that all politicians have to do and I think that's a fairly good argument that RP could get some things past, including major legislation. 

Of course, depends on how the Congress fairs for this election as well.

One in 22 years?  That is horrible.  Not sure how that can translate into success as the chief executive.  

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2012, 05:25:54 PM »
Romney dominates debates?    ???

I don't think he dominates them.  (The author does.)  But he has been solid in every one I've seen.   

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2012, 05:29:27 PM »
One in 22 years?  That is horrible.  Not sure how that can translate into success as the chief executive. 




Well, he's co-sponsored a lot and I don't know the success rate on those.  But I think the translation comes from Hugo's point and how RP uses the position.

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2012, 05:47:03 PM »


Well, he's co-sponsored a lot and I don't know the success rate on those.  But I think the translation comes from Hugo's point and how RP uses the position.

I don't necessarily agree with that point, because he doesn't agree with his own party on several issues.  He won't even commit to supporting the nominee, just like 2008. 

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2012, 05:56:41 PM »
romney is very little substance, but works very hard on debating skills.  he's way better than he was in 2008.  worlds ahead of the other GOPer in poise and speaking style.

kinda the way reagan owned Bush1 because he was an actor - while Bush1 had a resume that destroyed liberal ass reagan.

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2012, 06:09:31 PM »
I don't necessarily agree with that point, because he doesn't agree with his own party on several issues.  He won't even commit to supporting the nominee, just like 2008. 



Yeah, when you alienate a lot of people, especially in politics, it leads to trouble.  But the Presidency is a lot of power so I think Hugo's argument has a lot of merit.  Would be interesting to see, that's for sure.

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 08:36:23 AM »
Romney excels in debates by the fact that the other candidates have to come after him.  He doesn't need to go after them.  Simply put, he lets them bicker among themselves while attempting to portray himself as being above the fray.

He is the default candidate and widely acknowledged as the only one on the stage to be perceived as having a chance to beat Obama.  None of the others can do that.  Face it... if you can't beat Romney who is Obama-Lite, then you won't be beating the real Obama.

Santorum has the last minute surge, but it will still take a miracle for him to overcome Mitt.  Shit happens, but miracles don't.  It is just the GOP faithful still need anyone but Romney and they are hanging their hat on him at the moment because there is NO ONE LEFT.  He isn't their best choice.  Or favorite choice.  He is their only choice left after Bachmann, Cain, Perry, and Newt have crashed and burned.  The only chance Santorum has of placing ahead of Mitt is in the southern states where Newt is strong and popular enough to siphon votes off the Mitt side.  But other than the South, Newt won't come in better than third in any state that doesn't border Georgia. He has been the flash in the pan, we are just witnessing the burn out now. 

Perry has become the Huckabee of this race, hanging on when his doom has been sealed for months now.  Huntsman is like the Fred Thompson, making one wonder if he will ever even start trying.  Or wondering why he even bothered to throw his hat in the ring to start with.  There really isn't a demand in the GOP for anyone more moderate than Romney.

Paul is the wild card here.  He has a voice that is slowly getting heard, but his own party isn't even giving him a fair shake.  At this point, he is just taking up space and will probably pull 15% of the vote, not enough to win, but enough to make someone else lose.

It's going to come down to Mitt vs Santorum.  With Paul and Newt pulling votes from Mitt that could cause Santorum to squeak by.  Which if that happens, Obama's next 4 years are already gift wrapped and delivered. 

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Re: Why Romney dominates debates
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2012, 10:09:31 AM »


Yeah, when you alienate a lot of people, especially in politics, it leads to trouble.  But the Presidency is a lot of power so I think Hugo's argument has a lot of merit.  Would be interesting to see, that's for sure.

If his argument is that a Republican Congress will not be willing to fight a member of its own party, I don't think that has a lot of merit, if the issues Ron Paul wants to pursue are things most Republicans in Congress oppose.  I can't see a majority of them adopting his foreign policy views, or legalizing drugs, or taking some of his more extremist positions. 

He actually should join the Libertarian Party like Gary Johnson.  Sounds like he has more in common with them than the Republican Party. 

But he's not going to win the nomination anyway.