Mike Arnold from MD Defending Jeff Long on hgh and calling GH15 a DumASS

[crg]

Sure it will...if it is good stuff. It isn't going to be as dramatic as if one used 10+ IU, but it will still furnish results. Jeff isn't the only pro who has used 2-3 IU of GH in the off-season....because as Jeff said, it is expensive. This is usually the reason why most guys don't use more. Whenever a pro says he uses a small amount of GH, guys are quick to jump on them and call them liars, but they really have no fuckin' idea what ANYONE is using. They "think" they know based on what they read, but when you have dumbasses like GH15 saying every pro is using at least 15 IU a day, you get people believing fucked up shit like this. The truth is that there are a LOT of pros who cannot afford to use anywhere close to 15 IU per day.

[crg]

There are tons of guys who turned pro and many pros who don't use anywhere close to 15 IU per day. Like you said earlier, a LOT of GH out there is garbage. Because so many board members are accustomed to hearing "some" people say that a pro "needs" 15-20 IU per day and that all pro use at least that much (LOL), that is why we get guys saying 3 IU per day won't do anything and all pros are liars. Certainly, 8-10 IU serostim will bring faster and more dramatic results than just 2-3 Iu per ay, but when I hear guys discount anything under 8-10 Iu as being worthless, I just laugh.

2 bottles of GH per day? I have heard of guys using this amount, but the honest truth is that I have NEVER personally known any pro who has used that much. I am not saying they aren't out there...I am sure some do, but I think it is in the VERY small minority. As for the people who think someone needs to use anywhere close to that amount to turn pro, that is complete horseshit. It seems to me that most of the guys using larger amounts are the guys who suck...relatively speaking. This is why I get irritated when I read posts saying that genetics don't matter and that anyone can get as big as the pros if they use enough drugs...bullshit. Sure, the majority of guys could get pretty big if they take tons of drugs, train hard, and eat well, but if you don't have the genetic ability to be a Jay Cutler or Jeff Long, it doesn't matter how much you use, it will never happen. It also seems most of the guys using higher doses of AAS & GH are the guys who are trying to make up for shit genetics.

Anyone who says a BB'r has to use anywhere close to 20 IU a day to turn pro or compete competitively as a professional doesn't know what they're talking about...all they do is read bullshit online....they have no personal experience...they do not know for themselves...they think they know, but they don't.

[diamondcut]

Liar filt

Amidoingitrite

[theheman]

Link???

[Bevo]

They want to brag about their subpar "genetics!!"

Yeah like being under 6 ft like the majority of bbers is having good genetics. If they really did why don't they play a "real" sport like football or basketball and get paid millions. Oh, I forgot, they can't! In half of these training vids, they are all huffing and puffing while doing only one set of curls  

[crg]

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/121292-Recent-pict-18-weeks-out-Jeff-Long

[240 is Back]

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[flinstones1]

Sure it will...if it is good stuff. It isn't going to be as dramatic as if one used 10+ IU, but it will still furnish results. Jeff isn't the only pro who has used 2-3 IU of GH in the off-season....because as Jeff said, it is expensive. This is usually the reason why most guys don't use more. Whenever a pro says he uses a small amount of GH, guys are quick to jump on them and call them liars, but they really have no fuckin' idea what ANYONE is using. They "think" they know based on what they read, but when you have dumbasses like GH15 saying every pro is using at least 15 IU a day, you get people believing fucked up shit like this. The truth is that there are a LOT of pros who cannot afford to use anywhere close to 15 IU per day.

gh15 is not gonna like this...

[muscle19]

there are other legit forms of gh besides serotism and humatrope cause not everyone can obtain those kits like gh15 says nordic has been in the game for years and has supplied the bodybuilding community with great gh for years and with his prices running 15-30iu a day shouldnt be much money for most pros since they have contracts n etc....plus is a definite liar for sure i can go in front of judge take a lie dectator test to confirm he was useing 15iu of hygetropins daily for the new york bro so hes 100 percent a liar

dude please quit dropping names!!! GD!!!! erase or change post!

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Any IFBB pro who can't afford to use over 15 ius of HGH on regular basis, really isn't relative in today's "sport". So when someone makes a statement that most pros don't use that much, that statement is correct. Because most IFBB pros are no longer competing and or half broke/half dead/ or moved on in bodybuilding.
 There are hundreds if not over a thousand IFBB pros in the world. But how many are showing up to these shows? The 21st century IFBB competitive pro is using exactly what GH15 says they are.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

So these guys want you people to believe that the very best, most muscular people on the planet aren't using as much HGH as Hollywood actors/actresses. Just silly.

[dustin]

Meltdown.

IFBB pros using soccer mom doses or bodybuilder doses... what's more believable?