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Mitt Romney Taxes
« on: January 24, 2012, 07:18:02 PM »
Mitt Romney gave millions to charity. Joe Biden gave $369. - Mail Online

I'm really struggling to work out what all the fuss is about over this one. It seems to me to be much ado about nothing. Breaking news: Mitt Romney is very rich. He also gave millions and millions of dollars to charity and to the taxman.

In the early hours of this morning, some 550 pages of Mitt Romney's tax returns and a 2011 tax summary were released by his campaign. Just after dawn, there was a long campaign conference call for bleary-eyed reporters in which an accountant (who sounded exactly like you'd imagine Mitt Romney's accountant would sound) went into details of Mitt millions in mind-numbing detail.

There was an air of grumpy efficency about the call, which was led by Ben Ginsberg, who was George W. Bush's lawyer during the Florida election recount in 2000. At one point Ginsberg noted that 26 people from Chicago were listening into the proceedings, a reference to the Obama campaign headquarters.

So what were the headlines? He raked in about $42 million in 2010 and 2011. His effective tax rate was just below 14 percent, lower than that for many American taxpayers. He paid $6.2 million to the taxman and donated a staggering $7 million to charity, including $4.1 million to the Mormon church.

OK, so Mormons are supposed to tithe 10 percent of their income. But it's to Romney's immense credit that he promised to do this in his youth and followed through with that - to the tune of scores of millions (maybe hundreds of millions) of dollars throughout his life.

In fact, in those two years, he paid 16 percent of his income to charity, compared to, er, 2.6 percent by Newt Gingrich.

And what about President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden in the run-up to their 2008 campaign?

USA Today broke it down here. In 2007, the Obamas gave more than $240,000 to charity, about 5.7 percent of their income. The Bidens gave an average of $369 to charity a year for the decade before he moved to the Naval Observatory - about 0.3 percent of their income. Back in 1997, then veep Al Gore and his then wife Tipper gave $353.

Since becoming veep, Biden hasn't become much more generous. In 2010, he gave $5,350, about 1.4 percent of income. That same year, Romney gave some $3 million. The national average is about three percent.

As far as we know, Romney scrupulously adhered to all US tax laws. No one has accused him of tax evasion.

What we hear is: Funds in the Cayman Islands! Swiss bank account!

So will all this hurt Romney politically? The Obama campaign and White House clearly thinks so. An Obama guest for tonight's State of the Union will be Warren Buffett's secretary, a crude nod to the familiar Democratic trope about the secretary being subject to higher tax rates than Buffett himself.

Much of the media also thinks so. Covering the story, CNN made repeated use of the term "the one percent" - a blatant assimilation of the cry from the Occupy Wall Street movement.

In Britain and much the rest of Europe, immense personal wealth often breeds resentment. In the United States, not so much. Certainly, Americans want economic fairness and equal opportuity. But belief in capitalism and the notion that by striving hard you too can become wealthy remain are enduring American traits.

Last week, Romney was stunningly inept in his handling of questions about his tax returns, humming and hawing, prevaricating, stonewalling and then finally, in defeat in South Carolina, agreeing to release documents.

Now he's done what he should have done earlier (politically-speaking - he's releasing returns much earlier than any other candidate previously in modern times) this is going to fade away as an issue for most voters.

Democrats will try to foment resentment about Romney's wealth. And certainly some people will never want to vote for a fat cat rich guy. But if Obama strategists think they it can win a re-election battle on a platform of class warfare they're very much mistaken.

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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 07:22:09 PM »
By the time I read all that, Mittens hair dye will fade and I won't know who he is.
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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 07:24:13 PM »
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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 04:22:14 AM »
biden's a poor guy actually.  and who cares if mitt donates 1.5 million to the mormon church church (a business), and biden chooses to give back in different ways.


hey, i don't donate to 'organizations' so some exec can make $175k a year for a part-time job and get a company car.  I have 7 broke ass neices & nephews that I buy school clothes, toys, and food for.  Anyone who criticizes me for not donating my money and time to a corporation - I'll laugh them out of the room.  Everyone gives in their own way, and it's their own business.  Sure, it's not tax deductable to buy for poor kids, and it is when you make a company rich, but who writes the laws?  lol

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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 06:45:15 AM »
Mitt pays less in taxes than the average person. That means we should lower the taxes of the average person.  ;D

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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 06:53:44 AM »
Mitt pays less in taxes than the average person. That means we should lower the taxes of the average person.  ;D

bingo.   This whole classwarfare nonsense is pure shit. 

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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 07:16:56 AM »
Mitt pays less in taxes than the average person. That means we should lower the taxes of the average person.  ;D

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 07:22:43 AM »
Mitt Romney gave millions to charity. Joe Biden gave $369. - Mail Online

I'm really struggling to work out what all the fuss is about over this one. It seems to me to be much ado about nothing. Breaking news: Mitt Romney is very rich. He also gave millions and millions of dollars to charity and to the taxman.

In the early hours of this morning, some 550 pages of Mitt Romney's tax returns and a 2011 tax summary were released by his campaign. Just after dawn, there was a long campaign conference call for bleary-eyed reporters in which an accountant (who sounded exactly like you'd imagine Mitt Romney's accountant would sound) went into details of Mitt millions in mind-numbing detail.

There was an air of grumpy efficency about the call, which was led by Ben Ginsberg, who was George W. Bush's lawyer during the Florida election recount in 2000. At one point Ginsberg noted that 26 people from Chicago were listening into the proceedings, a reference to the Obama campaign headquarters.

So what were the headlines? He raked in about $42 million in 2010 and 2011. His effective tax rate was just below 14 percent, lower than that for many American taxpayers. He paid $6.2 million to the taxman and donated a staggering $7 million to charity, including $4.1 million to the Mormon church.

OK, so Mormons are supposed to tithe 10 percent of their income. But it's to Romney's immense credit that he promised to do this in his youth and followed through with that - to the tune of scores of millions (maybe hundreds of millions) of dollars throughout his life.

In fact, in those two years, he paid 16 percent of his income to charity, compared to, er, 2.6 percent by Newt Gingrich.

And what about President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden in the run-up to their 2008 campaign?

USA Today broke it down here. In 2007, the Obamas gave more than $240,000 to charity, about 5.7 percent of their income. The Bidens gave an average of $369 to charity a year for the decade before he moved to the Naval Observatory - about 0.3 percent of their income. Back in 1997, then veep Al Gore and his then wife Tipper gave $353.

Since becoming veep, Biden hasn't become much more generous. In 2010, he gave $5,350, about 1.4 percent of income. That same year, Romney gave some $3 million. The national average is about three percent.

As far as we know, Romney scrupulously adhered to all US tax laws. No one has accused him of tax evasion.

What we hear is: Funds in the Cayman Islands! Swiss bank account!

So will all this hurt Romney politically? The Obama campaign and White House clearly thinks so. An Obama guest for tonight's State of the Union will be Warren Buffett's secretary, a crude nod to the familiar Democratic trope about the secretary being subject to higher tax rates than Buffett himself.

Much of the media also thinks so. Covering the story, CNN made repeated use of the term "the one percent" - a blatant assimilation of the cry from the Occupy Wall Street movement.

In Britain and much the rest of Europe, immense personal wealth often breeds resentment. In the United States, not so much. Certainly, Americans want economic fairness and equal opportuity. But belief in capitalism and the notion that by striving hard you too can become wealthy remain are enduring American traits.

Last week, Romney was stunningly inept in his handling of questions about his tax returns, humming and hawing, prevaricating, stonewalling and then finally, in defeat in South Carolina, agreeing to release documents.

Now he's done what he should have done earlier (politically-speaking - he's releasing returns much earlier than any other candidate previously in modern times) this is going to fade away as an issue for most voters.

Democrats will try to foment resentment about Romney's wealth. And certainly some people will never want to vote for a fat cat rich guy. But if Obama strategists think they it can win a re-election battle on a platform of class warfare they're very much mistaken.



Joe Biden isn't wealthy.  Mitt Romney makes his yearly salary in 3 days...... :-\


Dumb move by Romney to go after Biden. 
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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 07:27:24 AM »

Joe Biden isn't wealthy.  Mitt Romney makes his yearly salary in 3 days...... :-\


Dumb move by Romney to go after Biden. 

I think the point is to show what percentage of their income goes for some "higher cause" or some stupid bullshit like that. When you combine taxes with charity, I think Mitt pays a greater percent of his income.

Either way, Mitt would turn this around if he just said "I want everyone to pay as low of taxes as I did" or something like that.

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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 07:33:19 AM »

Joe Biden isn't wealthy.  Mitt Romney makes his yearly salary in 3 days...... :-\


Dumb move by Romney to go after Biden. 

That's why percentages exist, moron. Biden is clearly a cheap fuck and I can see why he charges us taxpayers for his secret service protection.

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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2012, 01:54:36 PM »
That's why percentages exist, moron. Biden is clearly a cheap fuck and I can see why he charges us taxpayers for his secret service protection.


Of course he's a cheap fuck and honestly isn't too good with money especially with all the money he's made over the years.  However, Romney needs to distance himself from his wealth as much as possible because too many people already think he's a smug rich bastard.  No need to encourage them by going after Biden.
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Re: Mitt Romney Taxes
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2012, 01:57:08 PM »

Of course he's a cheap fuck and honestly isn't too good with money especially with all the money he's made over the years.  However, Romney needs to distance himself from his wealth as much as possible because too many people already think he's a smug rich bastard.  No need to encourage them by going after Biden.

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What the hell do you think most people think of your god king?   If we are going to get a smug bastard, at least let the guy be successful like mittens, not a socialist leech like obama