Phil Heath dumbbell & barbell rows instruction (2012-02-06)

[DroppingPlates]

I do my barbell rows on a bench.

Here, we need to put a normal bench on two step platforms. It looks primitive, but it does the job

[purenaturalstrength]

drugs and genetic response to drugs...    This pure biomechanics.. Lays engage more strongly during rows when at a 45 degree angle.. Going down to closer to 90 disengages oats and puts more focus on upper back muscles... 

 no, this is basic anatomy. Yes, less range of motion, but more focus on lats. Upper back and lats are two different things. When leaned over to 90 you aren't hitting lats your making it an upper back movement.



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dorian yates is not proof

not that i dont believe i can be wrong, i would just like to see some evidence other than a pro claiming this and that

[kyomu]

He doesnt look like a O in gym AT ALL.

[DroppingPlates]

This douche/gym clown calls himself "Big Lou"  (the real Lou should kick his ass for that)
Check his barbell rows shrugs 
 

[aesthetics]

yate's rows 

[oldnik]

Yates Row to an insane back

[PJim]

dorian yates is not proof

not that i dont believe i can be wrong, i would just like to see some evidence other than a pro claiming this and that

Anatomically speaking he is bang on from my studies at University. It puts you in a mechanically stronger position where you've got the added benefit of balance. For the lats to engage your spine needs to be arched, if you were at 90 degrees as Heath said you'd be asking for trouble trying to create that curvature whilst at that angle.

[Metabolic]

Anatomically speaking he is bang on from my studies at University. It puts you in a mechanically stronger position where you've got the added benefit of balance. For the lats to engage your spine needs to be arched, if you were at 90 degrees as Heath said you're asking for trouble trying to create that curvature whilst at that angle.

"It puts you in a mechanically stronger position where you've got the added benefit of balance"

This much is true, still, following that line of thought the best row is a cable row.

[PJim]

"It puts you in a mechanically stronger position where you've got the added benefit of balance"

This much is true, still, following that line of thought the best row is a cable row.

Cable rows are good but I find that they would work rhomboids and traps due to the nature of the movement. If you really want to work lats like Heath suggests, nothing beats a good pre-exhaust with a set of pullovers driving with the elbows straight into palms up pulldowns.

[Metabolic]

Cable rows are good but I find that they would work rhomboids and traps due to the nature of the movement. If you really want to work lats like Heath suggests, nothing beats a good pre-exhaust with a set of pullovers driving with the elbows straight into palms up pulldowns.

I concurr, no elbow flexion (ie, pullovers) is the best, but, when speaking of rows, the most advantageous position is a cable or machine row as you have no need for stabilization from your lower body, which again, may or may not be what you want, for our purposes it mostly is.

"they would work rhomboids and traps due to the nature of the movement"

The nature of the movement is the same, unless we understand different things from cable rows.

[PJim]

I concurr, no elbow flexion (ie, pullovers) is the best, but, when speaking of rows, the most advantageous position is a cable or machine row as you have no need for stabilization from your lower body, which again, may or may not be what you want, for our purposes it mostly is.

"they would work rhomboids and traps due to the nature of the movement"

The nature of the movement is the same, unless we understand different things from cable rows.

It depends on what type of row you are doing. Are we talking one with a chest-pad which restricts the weight pulling your torso forward or a more free row? Are you rowing to the chest like a standard row or are you rowing to the stomach? I find that there are benefits to both but never seem to gain a peak contraction in my lats like I would on pulldown movements.

[Metabolic]

It depends on what type of row you are doing. Are we talking one with a chest-pad which restricts the weight pulling your torso forward or a more free row? Are you rowing to the chest like a standard row or are you rowing to the stomach? I find that there are benefits to both but never seem to gain a peak contraction in my lats like I would on pulldown movements.

Well, rows are not a Lat targetted movement, they are a general back exercise, so we agree on that too.  Pulldowns will be better engaging lats. 

I am talking about cable rows, not the padded machine, rowing it the exact same way as I would a barbell just seated.

[PJim]

Well, rows are not a Lat targetted movement, they are a general back exercise, so we agree on that too.  Pulldowns will be better engaging lats. 

I am talking about cable rows, not the padded machine, rowing it the exact same way as I would a barbell just seated.

Funnily enough I normally end a back workout with the cable rows that Dorian suggested with the long bar keeping the elbows high.

[mesmorph78]

there is no such thing Yates row
dorian was genetically blessed in regard to back.....
if that was another guy or pro doing rows almost standing up...straight up he would be ridiculed
but as usual people are sheep

[che]

there is no such thing Yates row
dorian was genetically blessed in regard to back.....
if that was another guy or pro doing rows almost standing up...straight up he would be ridiculed
but as usual people are sheep

I have to agree with my friend M78.

[PJim]

there is no such thing Yates row
dorian was genetically blessed in regard to back.....
if that was another guy or pro doing rows almost standing up...straight up he would be ridiculed
but as usual people are sheep

Maybe they would, but to be fair at least Dorian tries to explain logically the reasoning as to why he did them the way he did.