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There is not doubt there is shenaningans going on.


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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2012, 09:06:19 PM »
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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 10:24:00 PM »
DID YOU GET THAT MEMO THERE SKIP?

Party officials are the ones that cancelled the caucus do to snow and they are the ones that said the votes won't count....

LOLOLOLOL...

WHAT A FUCKING FRAUD.  Why have a primary at all... GOP has made it pretty clear, they will pick the nominee and the people will not be a part of that process whatsoever.

It's gotten more and more WTF with each state primary caucus that comes.

The rest of the video is just absolute proof of fraud.

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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2012, 10:41:19 PM »
They better clean this shit up real fucking fast... Just like the republican in that video that says he'll vote for Obama or just stay home because of this crap, there will be others and it's not very bright to lose even 1% in a presidential election.  Now with highly questionable shit showing up in so many states, I bet a lot of republicans are getting fucking pissed.

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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 05:41:45 AM »
They make the rules up as they go along. Stalin was right, 'It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes'



I wonder if the large news networks will look into this?




sarcasm off.

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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 07:17:57 AM »
Sigh.
I wish I could even get outraged.
Chalk up another reason this system is broken and nothing is going to change.

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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 02:48:53 PM »

Ron Paul Is Secretly Taking Over The GOP — And It's Driving People Insane
Grace Wyler | 48 minutes ago | 1,583 | 16



Where Has Ron Paul Been Hiding?

Here's What NO ONE Will Tell You About The 2012 Republican Race

THE CANADA EFFECT:


Ron Paul Does 135% Better In Northern Border States
 
By now, it is clear that the Maine caucuses were a complete mess. 

Evidence is mounting that Mitt Romney's 194-vote victory over Ron Paul was prematurely announced, if not totally wrong. Washington County canceled their caucus on Saturday on account of three inches of snow (hardly a blizzard by Maine standards), and other towns that scheduled their caucuses for this week have been left out of the vote count. Now, it looks like caucuses that did take place before Feb. 11 have also been left out of final tally.

As the full extent of the chaos unfolds, sources close to the Paul campaign tell Business Insider that it is looking increasingly like Romney's team might have a hand in denying Paul votes, noting that Romney has some admirably ruthless operatives on his side and a powerful incentive to avoid a fifth caucus loss this month.

According to the Paul campaign, the Maine Republican Party is severely under-reporting Paul's results — and Romney isn't getting the same treatment. For example, nearly all the towns in Waldo County — a Ron Paul stronghold – held their caucuses on Feb. 4, but the state GOP reported no results for those towns. In Waterville, a college town in Central Maine, results were reported but not included in the party vote count. Paul beat Romney 21-5 there, according to the Kennebec County GOP.

"It's too common," senior advisor Doug Wead told Business Insider. "If it was chaos, we would expect strong Romney counties to be unreported, and that's not what's happening."

The Maine Republican Party won't decide which votes it will count until the executive committee meets next month. But Wead points out that even if Mitt Romney holds on to his slim lead, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

"He will have disenfranchised all of these people," Wead said. "It could be a costly victory — it is a mistake."

The (alleged) bias against Paul may also be the product of an organic opposition to the libertarian Congressman and his army of ardent fans. Paul volunteers tend to be young and relatively new to party politics, and their presence has many state GOP stalwarts feeling territorial.

"People feel threatened — they don't want to see a bunch of kids who may have voted for Barack Obama take over," Wead said. "They feel a sense of ownership over the party — but there has to be an accommodation."

But state party machinations are already starting to backfire. The Paul campaign believes it has won the majority of Maine's delegates — and the perceived voter fraud has galvanized Paul supporters to demand their votes be counted in the state's straw poll 'beauty contest.'

Caucus chaos has also proved to be fertile ground for Paul's quiet takeover of the Republican Party. Since 2008, the campaign and Paul's Campaign for Liberty PAC have made a concerted effort to get Paul sympathists involved in the political process. Now, tumult in state party organizations has allowed these supporters to rise up the ranks.

"We like strong party leadership when it comes from us," Paul campaign chair Jesse Benton told Business Insider. "Our people work very hard to make sure that their voice is heard."

The fruits of this labor are evident in Iowa, where Paul's former state campaign co-chair A.J. Spiker was just elected as the new chairman of the Iowa Republican Party. Spiker replaces Matt Strawn, who stepped down over this year's Iowa caucus dustup. In Nevada, the state chair has also resigned over caucus disaster, and several Ron Paul supporters are well-positioned to step up to fill the void. These new leaders not only expand Paul's influence at the state level, but also help protect Paul and his hard-won delegates from state party machinations as the delegate-selection process moves to district and state conventions, and eventually the Republican National Convention this summer.

"We are always trying to bring people into the party," Benton said. "I think that is a very positive thing for Republicans. Ron is the person who can build the Republican base, bring new blood into the party. That's how you build the party."

In Maine, the caucus disaster has made the state GOP prime for a Ron Paul takeover. And that means that Paul's hard-won delegates will be protected as the delegate selection process

"We are taking over the party," Wead told BI. "That's the important thing — and that is what we are doing in Maine."



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-maine-caucuses-gop-takeover-2012-2#ixzz1mUel1Ym2



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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 03:09:33 PM »
DID YOU GET THAT MEMO THERE SKIP?

Party officials are the ones that cancelled the caucus do to snow and they are the ones that said the votes won't count....





Yes, in all cases that I know of, party officials generally make those calls.  That's not something new.

That's neither here nor there for what I said earlier.  If you wanna be pissed at someone, it ought to be Chris Gardner.  They had from the 4th to the 11th to get this shit done, and that moron decides they'll do theirs on the 11th.  ::)

That's just piss poor time management and incompetence.


What's more concerning is the 2nd video Bindare posted wherein it seems pretty clear that the actual results do not mirror what was officially reported.  I don't know enough to declare fraud, but if there's a pattern, it certainly indicative of fraud.  And that's up to the Republicans up there to work out - not much anyone else can really do.

They're going forward with the voting on the 18th, and it's still very possible those votes will be counted when they meet March 10th but as I understand it, RP only got 8 votes from that county in 2008 - hardly a game changer. 

I did read that all the publicity surrounding this may benefit RP though...so who knows.

Also, the RP campaign thinks they beat Romney in the delegate count anyway.  So that's good news.


As for whether or not the Republican party is for or against RP, I don't believe I've ever indicated that I think they're neutral.  RP will not support their candidate should he lose, so I seriously doubt they have any interest in helping him out.

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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 05:01:44 PM »

Ron Paul Is Secretly Taking Over The GOP — And It's Driving People Insane
Grace Wyler | 48 minutes ago | 1,583 | 16



Where Has Ron Paul Been Hiding?

Here's What NO ONE Will Tell You About The 2012 Republican Race

THE CANADA EFFECT:


Ron Paul Does 135% Better In Northern Border States
 
By now, it is clear that the Maine caucuses were a complete mess. 

Evidence is mounting that Mitt Romney's 194-vote victory over Ron Paul was prematurely announced, if not totally wrong. Washington County canceled their caucus on Saturday on account of three inches of snow (hardly a blizzard by Maine standards), and other towns that scheduled their caucuses for this week have been left out of the vote count. Now, it looks like caucuses that did take place before Feb. 11 have also been left out of final tally.

As the full extent of the chaos unfolds, sources close to the Paul campaign tell Business Insider that it is looking increasingly like Romney's team might have a hand in denying Paul votes, noting that Romney has some admirably ruthless operatives on his side and a powerful incentive to avoid a fifth caucus loss this month.

According to the Paul campaign, the Maine Republican Party is severely under-reporting Paul's results — and Romney isn't getting the same treatment. For example, nearly all the towns in Waldo County — a Ron Paul stronghold – held their caucuses on Feb. 4, but the state GOP reported no results for those towns. In Waterville, a college town in Central Maine, results were reported but not included in the party vote count. Paul beat Romney 21-5 there, according to the Kennebec County GOP.

"It's too common," senior advisor Doug Wead told Business Insider. "If it was chaos, we would expect strong Romney counties to be unreported, and that's not what's happening."

The Maine Republican Party won't decide which votes it will count until the executive committee meets next month. But Wead points out that even if Mitt Romney holds on to his slim lead, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

"He will have disenfranchised all of these people," Wead said. "It could be a costly victory — it is a mistake."

The (alleged) bias against Paul may also be the product of an organic opposition to the libertarian Congressman and his army of ardent fans. Paul volunteers tend to be young and relatively new to party politics, and their presence has many state GOP stalwarts feeling territorial.

"People feel threatened — they don't want to see a bunch of kids who may have voted for Barack Obama take over," Wead said. "They feel a sense of ownership over the party — but there has to be an accommodation."

But state party machinations are already starting to backfire. The Paul campaign believes it has won the majority of Maine's delegates — and the perceived voter fraud has galvanized Paul supporters to demand their votes be counted in the state's straw poll 'beauty contest.'

Caucus chaos has also proved to be fertile ground for Paul's quiet takeover of the Republican Party. Since 2008, the campaign and Paul's Campaign for Liberty PAC have made a concerted effort to get Paul sympathists involved in the political process. Now, tumult in state party organizations has allowed these supporters to rise up the ranks.

"We like strong party leadership when it comes from us," Paul campaign chair Jesse Benton told Business Insider. "Our people work very hard to make sure that their voice is heard."

The fruits of this labor are evident in Iowa, where Paul's former state campaign co-chair A.J. Spiker was just elected as the new chairman of the Iowa Republican Party. Spiker replaces Matt Strawn, who stepped down over this year's Iowa caucus dustup. In Nevada, the state chair has also resigned over caucus disaster, and several Ron Paul supporters are well-positioned to step up to fill the void. These new leaders not only expand Paul's influence at the state level, but also help protect Paul and his hard-won delegates from state party machinations as the delegate-selection process moves to district and state conventions, and eventually the Republican National Convention this summer.

"We are always trying to bring people into the party," Benton said. "I think that is a very positive thing for Republicans. Ron is the person who can build the Republican base, bring new blood into the party. That's how you build the party."

In Maine, the caucus disaster has made the state GOP prime for a Ron Paul takeover. And that means that Paul's hard-won delegates will be protected as the delegate selection process

"We are taking over the party," Wead told BI. "That's the important thing — and that is what we are doing in Maine."



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-maine-caucuses-gop-takeover-2012-2#ixzz1mUel1Ym2




If this is true, it'll still take years before we start seeing the effects of what all these new people bring to the table. Don't get me wrong, I love that part of it, but I kinda wanted Paul to have a real shot at this before hes gone and I'm actually saddened that they are being so tough on the guy especially that he was correct with much of the economic circumstances of the current sytem and other important issues. I dont agree with him on everything but I think he is most honest and overall sensible man there.

Its a shame that its come to this really.

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Re: How Ron Paul lost Maine. Great report on how GOP is screwing voters.
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 05:31:59 AM »
Mitt Romney could be stripped of Maine win
CBS ^ | February 16, 2012 | Brian Montopoli




Last Saturday, the Maine Republican Party declared Mitt Romney the winner of the Maine caucuses. The non-binding caucuses were a low turnout affair, but Romney's victory over Ron Paul - who he beat by less than 200 votes - was a chance for Romney to reclaim some momentum in the wake of Rick Santorum's three-state sweep four days earlier.

Now, however, it looks like Romney could ultimately be stripped of that victory. If that happens, it will be the second time this cycle Romney has been stripped of a caucus victory. The first came in Iowa, where Santorum was declared the winner following a (flawed) recount.

The Maine GOP allowed communities to schedule their caucuses between Feb. 4 and Feb. 11 if they wanted them to be counted in the final tally. Some areas elected to schedule their caucuses outside that window, and the Maine GOP said those caucuses would not count. Fair enough. But according to the Bangor Daily News, some caucuses that took place within the designated window were also not counted.

In addition, one important caucus - in Washington County - was rescheduled from last Saturday, when it would have been within the window, to this Saturday due to the threat of bad weather. Paul's campaign questioned the decision to move the caucus, suggesting political interference; in a statement stating the weather report did not predict a serious storm, it said "the votes of Washington County would have been enough to put us over the top. This is an outrage."

Paul actually didn't do well in Washington County in the 2008 cycle, but his campaign saw it as a stronghold this time around. And Paul supporters have been pushing backers of the Texas lawmaker to show up in droves this Saturday for the rescheduled caucuses....


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