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Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« on: October 26, 2011, 07:48:33 AM »
Obama Admin Seeks Permission To Lie In Response To Freedom Of Information Requests - Even To The Courts
 
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One of the President Obama's first promises after becoming President of the United States was a commitment to usher in a new era of unprecedented government transparency .  Instead the Obama administration has exhibited what may be an unprecedented obsession with government secrecy including blocking numerous law suits by invoking the doctrine of "State Secrets."   The administration has even come up with an interpretation of the Patriot Act which many in Congress who have seen it claim is overly broad and bestows more power on the Executive Branch than was intended by Congress when they passed it. 

Unfortunately those in Congress who have seen this document are not permitted to divulge its content, and we, the public, cannot see it because the administration has chosen to classify it as a "State Secret."   In other words, you might be doing something that the Obama Administration believes violates the Patriot Act, but you won't know it until they indict you for breaking a law you did not know existed (I might be breaking it just by penning and publishing this article).

Now the Obama/Holder Justice Department is attempting to re-write the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), empowering or even compelling government agencies to deny the very existence of records they know to exist if they believe they are legitimately exempted from disclosure.  Of course they are most likely the sole arbiter of whether they are indeed exempt from disclosure.  In effect the Obama/Holder Justice Department wants to be free to legally lie about the existence of records in response to FOIA requests.  Apparently they want to avoid the embarrassment and inconvenience of being officially rebuked by the courts for doing exactly that (lying to a Federal judge), as occurred earlier this year when, in a   strongly worded opinion, U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney wrote that the "Government cannot, under any circumstance, affirmatively mislead the Court."   The solution is simple:   re-write the law so the government, in many circumstances, can affirmatively mislead the court.

Despite substantial opposition by such groups as the ACLU, The National Press Club, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, OpentheGovernment.org., Judicial Watch, et al to this radical re-write of the FOIA Law , this controversial effort by the Obama Administration to evade the very transparency it so passionately promised to deliver has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media which is supposed to the guardian of the people's right to know.

Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican or neither, this move by the Obama administration should trouble you deeply.  Is this change we can believe in???

Below are snippets of reports on this controversy, none of them from a mainstream media source.   That was not my intent.   I just could not find any.   I learned about it just this morning in an e-mail from the National Law Journal:


National Press Club Urges Administration to Reconsider Draft Rule on Freedom of Information
"Under the new Department of Justice proposal, in replying to a request for information under the freedom-of-information law, if the information is allowed to be withheld under certain statutory exceptions, then federal officials "will respond to the request as if the excluded records did not exist"--even if that is not the case.

"No rule or law should allow, let alone require, the government to mislead the press or the public about anything," said Mark Hamrick , a broadcast journalist with the Associated Press who is the 2011 president of the National Press Club. "If enacted, it appears that this proposed rule would offend the precepts that informed the Freedom of Information Act, and it would tarnish the government's credibility.

"What's more, the change seems unnecessary,"  he said. "If agencies are exercising legally allowable exceptions to the law and withholding certain records, they can just continue to do as they do today: neither confirm nor deny the information's existence.""

Justice Dept. proposes lying, hiding existence of records under new FOIA rule
"The Justice Department has proposed the change as part of a large revision of FOIA rules for federal agencies. Specifically, the rule would direct government agencies who are denying a request under an established FOIA exemption to "respond to the request as if the excluded records did not exist," rather than citing the relevant exemption.

The proposed rule has alarmed government transparency advocates across the political spectrum, who've called it "Orwellian" and say it will "twist" public access to government.

In a public comment regarding the rule change, the ACLU, along with Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and OpenTheGovernment.org, said the move "will dramatically undermine government integrity by allowing a law designed to provide public access to government information to be twisted to permit federal law enforcement agencies to actively lie to the American people."

"Conservative government watchdog Judicial Watch has also lambasted the proposed rules change

"Upon taking office, President Obama released a memorandum declaring his administration was "committed to operating with an unprecedented level of openness. Specifically, he pledged to bolster the strength of the FOIA act, calling it "the most prominent expression of a profound national commitment to ensuring an open government."

Government Could Hide Existence of Records under FOIA Rule Proposal

"The ACLU, along with Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and OpenTheGovernment.org said the move would "dramatically undermine government integrity by allowing a law designed to provide public access to government to be twisted.

"Open government groups also contend that the proposed rule could undermine judicial proceedings.

In a recent case brought by the ACLU of Southern California, the FBI denied the existence of documents. But the court later discovered that the documents did exist. In an amended order , U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney wrote that the "Government cannot, under any circumstance, affirmatively mislead the Court."

DOJ's draft FOIA rule was first published in March , but DOJ re-opened comment submissions in September at the request of open-government groups. The new comment period ended October 19"


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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 08:02:11 AM »
Darth Cheney should absolutely love Obama...  This along with other things Obama has done are things that Cheney supports "bigtime." Not sure why he acts like he doesn't lol...

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 08:12:37 AM »
Darth Cheney should absolutely love Obama...  This along with other things Obama has done are things that Cheney supports "bigtime." Not sure why he acts like he doesn't lol...

cheney wants an apology cause obama said mean things about him when running for office.

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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2011, 08:17:58 AM »
cheney wants an apology cause obama said mean things about him when running for office.
Cheney is just upset that Bush is black now and still in power... ;D

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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2011, 08:28:37 AM »
New Street Lights To Have “Homeland Security” Applications

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High-tech system to include speakers, video surveillance, emergency alerts

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Paul Joseph Watson
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Wednesday, October 26, 2011

New street lights that include “Homeland Security” applications including speaker systems, motion sensors and video surveillance are now being rolled out with the aid of government funding.


The Intellistreets system comprises of a wireless digital infrastructure that allows street lights to be controlled remotely by means of a ubiquitous wi-fi link and a miniature computer housed inside each street light, allowing for “security, energy management, data harvesting and digital media,” according to the Illuminating Concepts website.

According to the company’s You Tube video of the concept, the primary capabilities of the devices include “energy conservation, homeland security, public safety, traffic control, advertising, video surveillance.”

In terms of Homeland Security applications, each of the light poles contains a speaker system that can be used to broadcast emergency alerts, as well as a display that transmits “security levels” (presumably a similar system to the DHS’ much maligned color-coded terror alert designation), in addition to showing instructions by way of its LED video screen.

The lights also include proximity sensors that can record both pedestrian and road traffic. The video display and speaker system will also be used to transmit Minority Report-style advertising, as well as Amber Alerts and other “civic announcements”.

With the aid of grant money from the federal government, the company is about to launch the first concept installation of the system in the city of Farmington Hills, Michigan.

A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Using street lights as surveillance tools has already been advanced by several European countries. In 2007, leaked documents out of the UK Home Office revealed that British authorities were working on proposals to fit lamp posts with CCTV cameras that would X-ray scan passers-by and “undress them” in order to “trap terror suspects”.

Dutch police also announced last year that they are developing a mobile scanner that will “see through people’s clothing and look for concealed weapons”.

So-called ‘talking surveillance cameras’ that use a speaker system similar to the Intellistreets model are already being used in UK cities like Middlesborough to bark orders and reprimand people for dropping litter and other minor offenses. According to reports, one of the most common phrases used to shame people into obeying instructions is to broadcast the message, “We are watching you.”

The transformation of street lights into surveillance tools for Homeland Security purposes will only serve to heighten concerns that the United States is fast on the way to becoming a high-tech police state, with TSA agents being empowered to oversee that control grid, most recently with the announcement that TSA screeners would be manning highway checkpoints, a further indication that security measures we currently see in airports are rapidly spilling out onto the streets.

The ability of the government to use street lights to transmit “emergency alerts” also dovetails with the ongoing efforts to hijack radio and television broadcasts for the same purpose, via FEMA’s Emergency Alert System.


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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a regular fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show.

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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2011, 08:34:38 AM »
http://www.infowars.com/new-street-lights-to-have-homeland-security-applications


Probably an obama campaign bundler. 

yep, i'm sure under president romney, stuff like this will stop.

what are you, 12?

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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 08:36:20 AM »
yep, i'm sure under president romney, stuff like this will stop.

what are you, 12?

 ::)  ::)

Right - so because you think someone will do it in the future, you excuse the present guy who is actually doing it.   


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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2011, 08:42:51 AM »
I'm pretty sure your only option for stopping crap like this Ron Paul.  Most likely the other candidates will be as bad when it comes to shit like this.

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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2011, 10:09:58 AM »
bush1, clinton, bush2, obama, whoever is next...

33, if you didn't become a prison planet devotee starting on jan 20, 2009, you just might have known this shit is old news!

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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2011, 05:28:23 PM »
I have been a CT Er for a long time.  Just cause I didn't buy in to 911 CT does nit make me a non CT Er.

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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 05:14:40 AM »

Justice Dept. Proposes Lying, Hiding Existence Of Records Under New FOIA Rule
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A classified folder rests President Barack Obama’s desk during a morning meeting in the Oval Office, June 8, 2009. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

This official White House photograph is being made available for publication by news organizations and/or for personal use printing by the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way or used in materials, advertisements, products, or promotions that in any way suggest approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White House.

A proposed revision to Freedom of Information Act rules would allow federal agencies to lie to citizens and reporters seeking certain records, telling them the records don’t exist.

The Justice Department has proposed the change as part of a large revision of FOIA rules for federal agencies. Specifically, the rule would direct government agencies who are denying a request under an established FOIA exemption to “respond to the request as if the excluded records did not exist,” rather than citing the relevant exemption.

The proposed rule has alarmed government transparency advocates across the political spectrum, who’ve called it “Orwellian” and say it will “twist” public access to government.

The draft FOIA revisions were first published in March, but the Justice Department re-opened comment submissions in September after several open-government groups raised objections. A Justice Department spokesperson said the agency is committed to public input and transparency, which is why it re-opened public comments on the rule — an unusual step in the process.

In a public comment regarding the rule change, the ACLU, along with Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and OpenTheGovernment.org, said the move “will dramatically undermine government integrity by allowing a law designed to provide public access to government information to be twisted to permit federal law enforcement agencies to actively lie to the American people.”

Anne Weismann, the chief counsel of CREW, said the Justice Department has a legitimate purpose behind the rules: to protect sensitive information about ongoing investigations. However, she said lying about the records “is an overbroad and improper response.”

“The problem is, if you’re a FOIA requester and the agency says they don’t have the records, you have no reason to doubt that,” Weismann said. “But if they cite an exemption, you have the option to sue.”

Those groups have suggested an alternate federal response that would not require any revisions to the rules. “We interpret all or part of your request as a request for records which, if they exist, would not be subject to the disclosure requirements of FOIA pursuant to section 552(c), and we therefore will not process that portion of your request.”

Conservative government watchdog Judicial Watch has also lambasted the proposed rules change. (RELATED: Obama admin. pulls references to Islam from terror training materials, official says)

The news is “not surprising, coming from the Obama administration,” said Christopher J. Farrell, director of investigations and research at Judicial Watch.

“The Obama administration is already doing it right now by actively misleading the public concerning White House visitor logs,” Farrell said. “Every day, the Obama administration misrepresents and conceals the true, complete record of who is going in and out of the White House — all the while proclaiming themselves champions of transparency. It’s truly Orwellian. The proposed rule change should be rejected.”

However, the Justice Department says it has long had this standing authority. A 1987 memo from then-Attorney General Edwin Meese III advises the Justice Department that it has the legal authority to deny existence of records, using the same language as the new rule.

“Where an exclusion is employed, the agency is legally empowered to ‘treat’ the excluded records as not subject to the FOIA at all,” Meese wrote. “Accordingly, a requester can properly be advised in such a situation that “there exist no records responsive to your FOIA request.” Such phrasing — as opposed to any more detailed statement that, for example, any records specified in a particular request ‘could not be located’ — most rationally and fairly implements an exclusion’s effect.”

If the new rule were to go into effect, there is a good chance it might be challenged in court. Courts have traditionally given the Justice Department fairly broad powers regarding records disclosure, but recent precedent may give the DOJ trouble.

In a case involving the FBI and records disclosure, U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney wrote that the “Government cannot, under any circumstance, affirmatively mislead the Court.”

Under current FOIA practice, the government may withhold information and issue a denial saying it can neither confirm nor deny the existence of records. Such a denial is known as a “Glomar response” — named after the legal battle between the Los Angeles Times and the CIA in the 1970s over records concerning the CIA’s attempts to salvage a sunken Soviet submarine.

Upon taking office, President Obama released a memorandum declaring his administration was “committed to operating with an unprecedented level of openness. Specifically, he pledged to bolster the strength of the FOIA act, calling it “the most prominent expression of a profound national commitment to ensuring an open government.”









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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 07:39:08 PM »
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On FOIA, Obama wants a license to lie
By: Examiner Editorial | 10/30/11 8:05 PM
It's not often that the liberal American Civil Liberties Union and conservative Judicial Watch agree on anything, but the Obama administration's lack of transparency has brought the two together. Obama's Justice Department has proposed a regulatory change that would weaken the Freedom of Information Act. Under the new rules, the government could falsely respond to those who file FOIA requests that a document does not exist if it pertains to an ongoing criminal investigation, concerns a terrorist organization, or a counterintelligence operation involving a foreign nation.
There are two problems with the Obama proposal to allow federal officials to affirmatively assert that a requested document doesn't exist when it does. First, by not citing a specific exemption allowed under the FOIA as grounds for denying a request, the proposal would cut off a requestor from appealing to the courts. By thus creating an area of federal activity that is completely exempt from judicial review, the proposal undercuts due process and other constitutional protections. Second, by creating a justification for government lying to FOIA requestors in one area, a legal precedent is created that sooner or later will be asserted by the government in other areas as well.

Under FOIA's current national security exemption, bureaucrats can already deny access to documents without acknowledging their existence. This was noted by the ACLU (joined by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and OpentheGovernment.com) in a comment on the proposal. In instances where there is a legitimate grounds for not confirming a document's existence, "the agency should simply respond that 'we interpret all or part of your request as a request for records which, if they exist, would not be subject to the disclosure requirements of FOIA pursuant to section 552(c), and we therefore will not process that portion of your request.' This response requires no change to the current FOIA regulation." Such a response would preserve a requestor's right to appeal to a federal court.

Chris Farrell, director of investigations and research for Judicial Watch, may have the answer for why the Obama administration wants the new liar's rule. Judicial Watch has been fighting the White House over a FOIA request for copies of its visitor logs. The White House insists, absurdly, that the documents are theirs, not the property of the Secret Service, and therefore withholdable. "Every day," Farrell notes, "the Obama administration misrepresents and conceals the true, complete record of who is going in and out of the White House -- all the while proclaiming themselves champions of transparency. It's truly Orwellian." The proposed new rule could add a patina of legality to the refusal to acknowledge the existence of the visitors logs as White House documents. Despite its flaws, FOIA is one of the few checks on excessive executive branch power. It should not be weakened by Obama's proposed "license to lie."





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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 04:33:55 AM »
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Why does Justice Department need to lie on FOIA responses?
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 31 October, 2011 | David Codrea
Posted on November 1, 2011 7:36:00 AM EDT by marktwain

“Justice Dept. proposes lying, hiding existence of records under new FOIA rule,” The Daily Caller reports.

A proposed revision to Freedom of Information Act rules would allow federal agencies to lie to citizens and reporters seeking certain records, telling them the records don’t exist.
“A final version of the proposed rule could be issued by the end of this year. If approved, the new rule would officially become a federal regulation with the force of law,” Investors.com warns.

Presumably the Nixon White House could have used the rule during Watergate to say, "Tape? What tape? It doesn't exist." This rule is more effective than any number of shredders could be.
Indeed. Even without changing existing rules, Gun Rights Examiner readers have seen how the government stalls, withholds and stonewalls. Yet even so, valuable information has been gleaned so far from a Freedom of Information Act response regarding a “Gunwalker” briefing filed in February (the month before Attorney General Eric Holder directed the submission of the proposed FOIA rule change), including documented evidence of whistleblower intimidation (see sidebar photo accompanying this article).

Besides, there are existing safeguards to protect excludable information under current law, as the American Civil Liberties Union points out in its comment on the proposed rule change. Authorizing the administration—any administration—to introduce lies into the FOIA process is a perversion of the intent behind the law, with far deeper implications.

So what can we do?

Unfortunately, the comment period has passed—initially it was extended until April 20 of this year, and while the proposed change was reopened for comments in September, that period closed on October 19.

How did this happen, and why are we just learning about it now?

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Obama's transparency stumbles (Vetting Hussein?)
Politico ^ | 3/05/12 | JOSH GERSTEIN
Posted on March 5, 2012 5:29:15 AM EST by Libloather

Obama's transparency stumbles
By JOSH GERSTEIN | 3/5/12 4:52 AM EST

President Barack Obama set a high bar for open government, and he set it quickly.

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• Administration lawyers are aggressively fighting FOIA requests at the agency level and in court — sometimes on Obama’s direct orders. They’ve also wielded anti-transparency arguments even bolder than those asserted by the Bush administration.

• The administration has embarked on an unprecedented wave of prosecutions of whistleblowers and alleged leakers — an effort many journalists believe is aimed at blocking national security-related stories. “There just seems to be a disconnect here. You want aggressive journalism abroad; you just don’t want it in the United States,” ABC News correspondent Jake Tapper told White House press secretary Jay Carney at a recent briefing for reporters.

• In one of those cases, the Justice Department is trying to force a New York Times reporter to identify his confidential sources and is arguing that he has no legal protection from doing so.

• Compliance with agencies’ open-government plans has been spotty, with confusing and inaccurate metrics sometimes used to assess progress. Some federal agencies are also throwing up new hurdles, such as more fees, in the path of those seeking records.

• The Office of Management and Budget has stalled for more than a year the proposals of the chief FOIA ombudsman’s office to improve governmentwide FOIA operations.

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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2012, 06:43:29 AM »
yep, i'm sure under president romney, stuff like this will stop.

what are you, 12?

You must be 9 since you are defending the current president who PROMISED CHANGE.

Isn't that why most people voted for him? He was supposed to be a departure from the norm.

He has shown to be WORSE than any previous president, yet you will vote for him. And other morons on this board will vote for him. Eventhough, they claim to hate liars.

LOL!!! It is absolutely unforgiveable when a Republican president supports such measure, but acceptable when a Democratic president applies the same legislation.

"Oh, other presidents do it, so what if Obama does it!" That is not what he promised in 2008, nitwits.

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Re: Hope N F'NG Change MOFO's - Obama trying to undo FOIL Laws
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2012, 06:44:40 AM »
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