need serious help !

[davidbenn]

hello i am david new to this forum , i am 21 years old , i have been lifting for past 4 years , i am currently 207 pounds , 12% body fat

a drug dealer brainwashed and misguided me to use oral winstrol 30 mg a day for 1 month to enhance athletic performance

i have less knowledge about steroids , he told it has no side effects , i blindly trusted him and took it for 5 weeks

now i am experiencing suppression in my test levels, i am unable to get erection , i immediately stopped winstrol after i got this problem

i am taking clomid 50 mg for past 2 days along with animal stak (natural test booster )

i feel bad and i know i did a big mistake , i love natural bodybuilding and because of my bad time i took drugs

please help me get out of this problem , as i am young many people say your body will produce only low test for rest of my life - is this true ?

is 50 mg clomid enough ? should i add also nolvadex ? i am planning to do clomid for 20 days , is HCG necessary ? but actually i dont have acess to HCG , i can just get nolva and clomid

help will be much appreciated and i will never do drugs again , this was my bad experience , i will never blindly trust anyone again

thanks in advance

[Luolamies]

First of all, relax!

You don't need "serious" help, that low of a dose and for such a short time you will be (are) perfectly fine. Also 20 days of clomid at 50 mg per day is more than enough for that "cycle"...

PS. I hate to say this, but learn to take some responsibility for your own actions, no one forced you to take anything. And from here on, you can't consider yourself as a natural athlete anymore, nothing wrong with using/having used, but just don't think you still have your natural status.

All the best!

[ritch]

^^^ what he said...

[davidbenn]

First of all, relax!

You don't need "serious" help, that low of a dose and for such a short time you will be (are) perfectly fine. Also 20 days of clomid at 50 mg per day is more than enough for that "cycle"...

PS. I hate to say this, but learn to take some responsibility for your own actions, no one forced you to take anything. And from here on, you can't consider yourself as a natural athlete anymore, nothing wrong with using/having used, but just don't think you still have your natural status.

All the best!

Thank you very much sir I was very anxious but I feel relieved now

I live in a third world country , I don't have that much knowledge about steroids , when I bought winstrol , it was written stanozolol I though it was some kind of supplement , I found out it was a steroid after 2 weeks of taking it as I got suppression

I feel like kicking myself ! I understand this is stupid action
I accept I can not call myself as natural amymore

By the way I am using clomid 50 mg for past 2 days and animal stak , still no erction and I got little shrinkage
Can I please know after how many weeks of clomid I can get back my normal test leves and erection

Thanks again for the advice

[ritch]

it's all in your head. Nobody gets fucked up like that from such little use.

[davidbenn]

Thanks again for the inputs

I got another question, sorry for asking too many questions

I happen to ask this question is other steroid forum , I got only one reply there , the guy said the minimum age for aas is 24 , taking aas before 24 could lead to permanent low sperm count and low test levels

I find this forum more credible and better information , unfortunately I took this at early age , will I get a permanent Low test levels for rest of my life ? And this is my last question regarding this topic

[supernick]

Thanks again for the inputs

I got another question, sorry for asking too many questions

I happen to ask this question is other steroid forum , I got only one reply there , the guy said the minimum age for aas is 24 , taking aas before 24 could lead to permanent low sperm count and low test levels

I find this forum more credible and better information , unfortunately I took this at early age , will I get a permanent Low test levels for rest of my life ? And this is my last question regarding this topic

theres no minimum age,, being younger will actully make recovery easier.  Pro bodybuilders are still often able to have kids and they abuse drugs for years.. Dont worry

[davidbenn]

Thanks everyone for the replies ,i have clarity now

And i will never do drugs again , this is my last post in steroid section , pro bodybuilding is very expensive lifestyle , you have to eat more protein ,buy the pct , buy liver protection , buy anti estrogrn  and anti DHT conversion, count all the macros ... etc , It is not for me , I will be natural from now on but irony being I can not call myself natural anymore as I used a drug in my life
And I will start sharing my opinions and experience on training and nutrition from now on

[supernick]

Thanks everyone for the replies ,i have clarity now

And i will never do drugs again , this is my last post in steroid section , pro bodybuilding is very expensive lifestyle , you have to eat more protein ,buy the pct , buy liver protection , buy anti estrogrn  and anti DHT conversion, count all the macros ... etc , It is not for me , I will be natural from now on but irony being I can not call myself natural anymore as I used a drug in my luck

And I will start sharing my opinions and experience on training and nutrition from now on

did u at least see any gains from it

[falco]

First of all, relax!

You don't need "serious" help, that low of a dose and for such a short time you will be (are) perfectly fine. Also 20 days of clomid at 50 mg per day is more than enough for that "cycle"...

PS. I hate to say this, but learn to take some responsibility for your own actions, no one forced you to take anything. And from here on, you can't consider yourself as a natural athlete anymore, nothing wrong with using/having used, but just don't think you still have your natural status.

All the best!

that

[davidbenn]

I mainly took for preserving muscle while dieting and cutting body fat

I went down to 8% body fat , I made very little muscle , I gained 3 pounds of lean muscle in 5 weeks of 30 mg winny

muscle gains were small but i was able to see big improvement in my body weight exercises - push Ups ,pull Ups ,dips ,squats etc
And big boost in my cardiovascular stamina , i was able to jog longer than usual
I got amazing vasculariry in my forearms ,biceps ,shoulders ,little vascularity in my quads and chest
I got best pumps of my life during weight training
I like the results and the hardening of muscles but inam not willing to risk my potency for faster results

I i saw in many places oral without test base is bad , when I bought this I thought it is a muscle preservative like bcaa

[Marlo Stanfield]

hello i am david new to this forum , i am 21 years old , i have been lifting for past 4 years , i am currently 207 pounds , 12% body fat

a drug dealer brainwashed and misguided me to use oral winstrol 30 mg a day for 1 month to enhance athletic performance

i have less knowledge about steroids , he told it has no side effects , i blindly trusted him and took it for 5 weeks

now i am experiencing suppression in my test levels, i am unable to get erection , i immediately stopped winstrol after i got this problem

i am taking clomid 50 mg for past 2 days along with animal stak (natural test booster )

i feel bad and i know i did a big mistake , i love natural bodybuilding and because of my bad time i took drugs

please help me get out of this problem , as i am young many people say your body will produce only low test for rest of my life - is this true ?

is 50 mg clomid enough ? should i add also nolvadex ? i am planning to do clomid for 20 days , is HCG necessary ? but actually i dont have acess to HCG , i can just get nolva and clomid

help will be much appreciated and i will never do drugs again , this was my bad experience , i will never blindly trust anyone again

thanks in advance

1) ALWAYS do your OWN research before putting anything in your body. Even if someone suggests a compound to you here on getbig, its YOUR responsibility to go and read up on it.

2) 50mg clomid is more than enough, but you need to give it at least a week to be bale to settle your test levels

3) most of erection issues is in your head, you will THINK your test levels are supressed, so therefore you think you'll have a limp dick... a 2 week cycle is NOTHING. you havent permananetly damaged your body, so stop worrying.

4)EVERY DRUG HAS A SIDE EFFECT.  Plain and simple. there is no MIRACLE DRUG with only good side and zero bad sides. Thats why you  ask 10 people for a cycle, you will get 15 different answers. Everyone is trying to minimize the side effects to the best of their knowledge. So for future refrence, know that ALL drugs have a side effect

5)for endurance, try using clenbuterol at VERY VERY MILD doses. try 20mcg, then after 3-4 days go up to 40mcg. See how your body reacts to it ( again, do your own research before taking it).

6) there is no "Natural Test Booster". Only testosterone boosts your testosterone... even if there is something that BOOSTS your test levels, the change is so small its negligible.stop spending your money on stupid shit like animal pak. .If you want your test levels boosted, inject testosterone ,plain and simple

7) i appreciate you being hesitant with drugs and all, but this isnt about drugs, its about you BLINDLY doing something. So make a promise to yourself to NEVER blindly trust/follow someone

[davidbenn]

1) ALWAYS do your OWN research before putting anything in your body. Even if someone suggests a compound to you here on getbig, its YOUR responsibility to go and read up on it.

2) 50mg clomid is more than enough, but you need to give it at least a week to be bale to settle your test levels

3) most of erection issues is in your head, you will THINK your test levels are supressed, so therefore you think you'll have a limp dick... a 2 week cycle is NOTHING. you havent permananetly damaged your body, so stop worrying.

4)EVERY DRUG HAS A SIDE EFFECT.  Plain and simple. there is no MIRACLE DRUG with only good side and zero bad sides. Thats why you  ask 10 people for a cycle, you will get 15 different answers. Everyone is trying to minimize the side effects to the best of their knowledge. So for future refrence, know that ALL drugs have a side effect

5)for endurance, try using clenbuterol at VERY VERY MILD doses. try 20mcg, then after 3-4 days go up to 40mcg. See how your body reacts to it ( again, do your own research before taking it).

6) there is no "Natural Test Booster". Only testosterone boosts your testosterone... even if there is something that BOOSTS your test levels, the change is so small its negligible.stop spending your money on stupid shit like animal pak. .If you want your test levels boosted, inject testosterone ,plain and simple

7) i appreciate you being hesitant with drugs and all, but this isnt about drugs, its about you BLINDLY doing something. So make a promise to yourself to NEVER blindly trust/follow someone

Thanks for the good advice sir , can i please know what do mean by "injecting testosterone to boost test levels ?
I thought animal stak had tribulus , zinc and horny goat weed which may increase test levels as it is marketed

Do you mean injecting test prop or cyp to increase test levels ? Again I have less knowledge about these stuff , I thought injecting hormones from outside will suppress your test levels , I never knew low doses of test would boost natural test levels

[supernick]

Thanks for the good advice sir , can i please know what do mean by "injecting testosterone to boost test levels ?
I thought animal stak had tribulus , zinc and horny goat weed which may increase test levels as it is marketed

Do you mean injecting test prop or cyp to increase test levels ? Again I have less knowledge about these stuff , I thought injecting hormones from outside will suppress your test levels , I never knew low doses of test would boost natural test levels

Animal stack and trib will boost testosterone, but not enough to even notice or build any muscle.  Your better off spending your money on food. 
Yes... injecting your body with test prop or cyp does increase testosterone, but it will shut your own natural production down and it seems like this is what your worried about.  So it seems to me steroids are not for you.

[davidbenn]

Animal stack and trib will boost testosterone, but not enough to even notice or build any muscle.  Your better off spending your money on food.  
Yes... injecting your body with test prop or cyp does increase testosterone, but it will shut your own natural production down and it seems like this is what your worried about.  So it seems to me steroids are not for you.

Actually I took aas now by accident now , I am just 21 years old , I think steroids is not for me as I have mentioned few posts before , the only stage where I would consider using aas is may be after 7 years when I have reached my genetic limit of building muscle , but still I don't like stuff like test which puts of water weight

I am more of an endurance athlete and only little size gains- in my observation roid users put on combination of water weight , lean mass and little fat gain
But I see only natural bodybuilding increases lean mass without increase in body fat levels and no water weights ( with clean diet and good training )

After 7 years if I happen to use drugs I would choose only anavar as it helps muscle growth without any water weight

[supernick]

Actually I took aas now by accident now , I am just 21 years old , I think steroids is not for me as I have mentioned few posts before , the only stage where I would consider using aas is may be after 7 years when I have reached my genetic limit of building muscle , but still I don't like stuff like test which puts of water weight

I am more of an endurance athlete and only little size gains- in my observation roid users put on combination of water weight , lean mass and little fat gain
But I see only natural bodybuilding increases lean mass without increase in body fat levels and no water weights ( with clean diet and good training )

After 7 years if I happen to use drugs I would choose only anavar as it helps muscle growth without any water weight

u neede to do some research..  Every drug does different things.  Some like test or deca or d bol will yeild more watery gains if used by themselves, but things like tren anavar or winstrol produce dry gains.  If your into endurance than there is really no need for anything. 

[Marlo Stanfield]

Thanks for the good advice sir , can i please know what do mean by "injecting testosterone to boost test levels ?
I thought animal stak had tribulus , zinc and horny goat weed which may increase test levels as it is marketed

Do you mean injecting test prop or cyp to increase test levels ? Again I have less knowledge about these stuff , I thought injecting hormones from outside will suppress your test levels , I never knew low doses of test would boost natural test levels

testosterone range for male adults is something along the lines of 220-980 NG/DL ( depending on your age it will vary, but thats the general range)

Over the COunter test boosters maybe increase your test levels by like 50 points( at max), but thats negligible when you consider the range... for example, if your at 400 ng/DL, you wont notice much going to 450NG/DL or even 475 NG/DL.

When you take low doses of testosterone ( baby doses like 100mg/week test cyp/Enan), that will supress your natural test production, and jack up your test levels to aroun 1100-1200 NG/DL.

Alot of people dont realize that even natural test boosters do supress you just a little bit ( anything external you take to boost your test will cause your CNS to signal to your testicles to reduce test production, hence supression). If you want to increase your test levels WITHOUT supressing your test production, you have two options, and in my humble opinion two options only

1) Clomid
2) HCG

Some doctors actually prescribe Clomid instead of Testoserone replacement therapy


BUT, you keep saying your an endurance athlete, therefore you need to work on your lung and cradio, wit hthat being said, give clenbuterol or albuterol a try, those drugs will make breathing easier, and increase your oxygen uptake capability.

[davidbenn]

Thanks again for reply

I am not completely endurance athlete , my goal is endurance with some muscle mass

I am not a marathon runner or sprinter , I am into muay Thai for 3 years

I do heavy deadlifts , heavy squats , heavy bench ,heavy military press every week

For example I don't want to be huge like Arnold Schwarzenegger , I want a physique similar to jean claud van dame - with some muscle mass and good cardiovascular stamina , I am not able to express my goals in exact words
I am not into pure endurance and i am not into pure hypertrophy , It is in between endurance and hypertrophy

Actually I was clean bulking for past 4 years , I was 197 pounds ,accidentally I took winny to get ripped

I got down to 8% bf and vascular with some muscle mass , but when I stopped winstrol my appetite went up and I felt hungry more often , I started eating more carbs and went to 12% body fat unfortunately
I am not worried about body fat right now , I am worried about My test levels now , after few weeks when I get back to Normal I will start my hard work to get ripped again

My plans are - I am currently happy with 200 pounds body frame , just want to get more ripped ( through improving endurance ) and clean bulking is my long term goal

And thanks for informing that OTC products may lead to little suppression , I will stick to clomid for now , thanks again