Author Topic: Santelli: 4/5 of the lowering rate of UE% is due to Lower Labor Participation %  (Read 1240 times)

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he's right on.

if only mitt would have the balls to say this now.

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he's right on.

if only mitt would have the balls to say this now.

HE DID TODAY YOU LYING SACK OF TRASH!   IPOSTED THE ARTICLE AND QUOTE. 


WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING? 

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HE DID TODAY YOU LYING SACK OF TRASH!   IPOSTED THE ARTICLE AND QUOTE. 

WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING? 


please post a link to it.  Romney called out obama for false numbers?  I love it.  Link please

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 :).  Bump.     

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he's right on.

if only mitt would have the balls to say this now.
Hi Brian Griffin, Mr. I have no stance I just take the opposite direction of wherever the wind is blowing.
Your just like Mitt, just on the other side.

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Bump for team Kenya. 

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MAY 6, 2012
2.2 Million Go On Disability Since Mid-2010; Fraud Explains Falling Unemployment Rate

By Mike Shedlock
5/6/2012
 
Since mid-2010, precisely at the time millions of US citizens used up all of their 99 week of unemployment insurance, disability claims have risen by 2.2 million. Those on disability are not counted in the workforce and are not considered unemployed.

Please consider Disabled Americans Shrink Size of U.S. Labor Force

The number of workers receiving Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) jumped 22 percent to 8.7 million in April from 7.1 million in December 2007, Social Security data show. That helps explain as much as one quarter of the decline in the U.S. labor-force participation rate during the period, according to economists at JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley.

The participation rate -- the share of working-age people holding a job or seeking one -- was 63.8 percent in March after falling to a three-decade low of 63.7 percent in January. Disability recipients may account for as much as 0.5 percentage point of the more than 2 point drop since the end of 2007, the economists calculate, and that contribution could grow when some extended unemployment benefits expire at the end of this year.

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33, you've made the point once again that kinda goes against your original argument.

More students are going back to school - and leaving the working force.
More people are getting older as we live longer - leaving the work force.
More people are going on disability - leaving the work force.
More millionaires than ever before - no need to work.
More people's portfolio value rising as DOW excelled under Obama - meaning they don't have to work.

Not saying obama isn't fudging the numbers - cause i believe he is - but i'm saying there are factors like this which show why participation rate dropping.

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33, you've made the point once again that kinda goes against your original argument.

More students are going back to school - and leaving the working force.
More people are getting older as we live longer - leaving the work force.
More people are going on disability - leaving the work force.
More millionaires than ever before - no need to work.
More people's portfolio value rising as DOW excelled under Obama - meaning they don't have to work.

Not saying obama isn't fudging the numbers - cause i believe he is - but i'm saying there are factors like this which show why participation rate dropping.


Dear god are you fucked up.

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Dear god are you fucked up.

insults aside... there are reasons why more people are choosing not to work at the moment.  Education is the primary one.  When there's a recession, people get educated.  When things are booming, they work and make money.  You're my age... I'm sure you remember everyone making that $ for years, then the 2001 crash of the dotcoms... I think it was jan 2, 2001? 

Then a lot of ppl went back to school, refined their skillset.   Things got strong.  When the economy dropped in 2008, a lot of people went to school.  They're all getting close to graduation now, starting senior year of a 4 years program, so yeah, they're leaving the market while they wrap up thesis, etc.

instead of telling me i'm fucked up, tell me i'm wrong, that NOBODY went back to school because of the 2008 receission. 

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insults aside... there are reasons why more people are choosing not to work at the moment.  Education is the primary one.  When there's a recession, people get educated.  When things are booming, they work and make money.  You're my age... I'm sure you remember everyone making that $ for years, then the 2001 crash of the dotcoms... I think it was jan 2, 2001?  

Then a lot of ppl went back to school, refined their skillset.   Things got strong.  When the economy dropped in 2008, a lot of people went to school.  They're all getting close to graduation now, starting senior year of a 4 years program, so yeah, they're leaving the market while they wrap up thesis, etc.

instead of telling me i'm fucked up, tell me i'm wrong, that NOBODY went back to school because of the 2008 receission.  


The War Against The Young
An analysis of recent jobs figures at Investor.com reveals a disturbing development: the biggest beneficiaries from the economic recovery are Boomers, while everyone else is getting the shaft.
Since the Obama administration took office, there has been an epochal shift. Young workers have continued to lose jobs and incomes, while older workers have actually gained ground.
In fact, the Obama administration has seen a boom in the prospects of the 55+ crowd; their (I should say ‘our’) employment stands at a 42 year high. Net, there are 3.9 new jobs for people over 55 since the recession began in December 2007, but there are 8.1 million fewer jobs for the young folks since that time.
Neither group may feel particularly grateful. Many of the older people working are people who decided to defer retirement, perhaps after their portfolios or pensions took a hit. The gains in employment are even higher among the 60+ set than among the 55-and-overs.

Still, it’s ironic to say the least that a president swept into power on a tsunami of young voter support has presided over a boom for the grannies and a bust for the kids. Logically, President Obama should expect to do somewhat better among senior citizens and worse among young people than in his first campaign — but logic often goes one way and politics another.
We shall see.

(h/t: @tylercowen)

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EMPLOYMENT
There’s a lot going on in this month’s jobs report. The headline number of jobs created — 115,000 — is miserable: it’s basically just enough to keep up with population growth. That’s the number the markets look at. The number the politicians look at, however, is the unemployment rate, which ticked down to 8.1%. That’s still high, but it’s not a statistic to beat Obama round the head with.

The big news, however, lies elsewhere, in the fact that a whopping 522,000 people left the labor force joined the “not in labor force” rolls last month. When more than half a million people in one month decide that they’re not even going to bother looking for work any more, there’s no way you can say you’re in a healthy recovery.

Zero Hedge has the two charts which matter. First you have the number of people not in the labor force, which has been climbing steadily through the recession and the recovery, and is now approaching 90 million. The only time it fell was during the first quarter of 2010 — the census-hiring boom. This chart speaks volumes to me: it says that while Capital might not be in a recession any more, Labor still isn’t working.



Then there’s the even scarier one, which is the labor force participation rate — now down to 63.6%.


This chart is just petrifying. The participation rate started falling after the dot-com bust, leveled off during the credit boom (but never really rose much), and then fell off a cliff when the recession started. You’d think it would have started to bounce back up by now, but no. Instead, we’re now deep into pretty much unprecedented territory. Yes, the participation rate has been this low before — back in 1981. But that was during the decades when women were still properly moving into the labor force.

As Mike Konczal noted this morning, a key indicator of labor recession is still in force: if you’re unemployed, you’re still more likely to drop out of the labor force entirely than you are to find a job. And as Dan Alpert noted, in a country of 314 million people, there are only 115 million full-time workers and 27 million part-time workers. It’s really hard to get a robust recovery when the number of people earning money is so anemic.

For demographic reasons — the retirement of the baby boomers — the labor force participation rate is naturally going to fall over the next decade. But go back just one year, to March 2011, and look at the official CBO projection of the labor force participation rate. The CBO saw a rate of 64.6% in 2012 — a full percentage point higher than we’re at right now. The participation rate wasn’t expected to fall to today’s level of 63.6% until 2017.

Politically speaking, the unemployment rate is still the number that people concentrate on. But increasingly, being unemployed is little more than a halfway house between employment and dropping out of the labor force altogether. Until the labor force participation rate stops falling and starts rising, the so-called recovery will remain a theoretical economic entity and not a real-world reality for hundreds of millions of Americans. We need jobs, and we need them now. Ben Bernanke, and Congress, are you listening?

Update: The labor force actually fell by 342,000, not 522,000. The working-age population grew by 180,000, however, so the number of people not in the labor force went up by 522,000.

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/05/04/aprils-jobs-americans-arent-working




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The Vanishing Workers: The labor participation rate is back where it was in December 1981
 Wall Street Journal ^ | 05/07/2012






The economy turned in another lackluster month for job creation in April, with 115,000 net new jobs, 130,000 in private business (less 15,000 fewer in government). The unemployment rate fell a tick to 8.1%, albeit mainly because the labor force shrank by 342,000. This relates to what is arguably the most troubling trend in the April jobs report, which is the continuing decline in the share of working-age Americans who are in the labor force.

The civilian labor participation rate, as it's known, fell again in April to 63.6%. That's the second decline in a row and the lowest rate since December 1981. That's right—more than 30 years ago, longer than Mark Zuckerberg has been alive. The nearby chart shows the disturbing round trip the workforce participation rate has taken since 1980 and the precipitous drop in the last three years.

This decline is highly unusual coming out of a recession. Normally as hiring picks up, more Americans see more job opportunities and jump back into the labor force. That's what happened after the sharp recession of 1981-82, when the participation rate last hit 63.6%.

It rose smartly through the boom of the 1980s to a peak of 66.8% in January 1990. The rate dipped to 66% in the mild 1991 recession, but then rose again through the 1990s to a modern peak of 67.3% in January 2000 at the top of the dot-com bubble.

The last decade has never reached the same heights, though the participation rate did rise back to 66.4% in late 2006 and early 2007. The rate fell to 65.7% in July 2009 when the last recession officially ended, yet the distressing fact is that it has kept falling over the course of the next 33 months of ostensible economic recovery.


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