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CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« on: October 14, 2011, 08:34:09 AM »
October 14, 2011 8:19 AM

"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

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(CBS News)  There's a new twist in the government's "gunwalking" scandal involving an even more dangerous weapon: grenades.


CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, who has reported on this story from the beginning, said on "The Early Show" that the investigation into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)'s so-called "Fast and Furious" operation branches out to a case involving grenades.

Sources tell her a suspect was left to traffic and manufacture them for Mexican drug cartels.

Police say Jean Baptiste Kingery, a U.S. citizen, was a veritable grenade machine. He's accused of smuggling parts for as many as 2,000 grenades into Mexico for killer drug cartels -- sometimes under the direct watch of U.S. law enforcement.


For more on this investigation, visit CBS Investigates.

Law enforcement sources say Kingery could have been prosecuted in the U.S. twice for violating export control laws, but that, each time, prosecutors in Arizona refused to make a case.

Grenades are weapons-of-choice for the cartels. An attack on Aug. 25 in a Monterrey, Mexico casino killed 53 people.

Sources tell CBS News that, in January 2010, ATF had Kingery under surveillance after he bought about 50 grenade bodies and headed to Mexico. But they say prosecutors wouldn't agree to make a case. So, as ATF agents looked on, Kingery and the grenade parts crossed the border -- and simply disappeared.

Six months later, Kingery allegedly got caught leaving the U.S. for Mexico with 114 disassembled grenades in a tire. One ATF agent told investigators he literally begged prosecutors to keep Kingery in custody this time, fearing he was supplying narco-terrorists, but was again ordered to let Kingery go.

The prosecutors -- already the target of controversy for overseeing "Fast and Furious," wouldn't comment on the grenades case. U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke recently resigned and his assistant, Emory Hurley, has been transferred. Sources say Hurley is the one who let Kingery go, saying grenade parts are "novelty items" and the case "lacked jury appeal."

Attkisson added on "The Early Show" that, in August, Mexican authorities raided Kingery's stash house and factory, finding materials for 1,000 grenades. He was charged with trafficking and allegedly admitted not only to making grenades, but also to teaching cartels how to make them, as well as helping cartel members convert semi-automatic rifles to fully-automatic. As one source put it: There's no telling how much damage Kingery did in the year-and-a-half since he was first let go. The Justice Department inspector general is now investigating this, along with "Fast and Furious."



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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 08:36:26 AM »
Hey - lets focus on Herman Cain's ice cream quips! 

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 08:53:42 AM »
Hey - lets focus on Herman Cain's ice cream quips! 

what did michelle say?

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 08:56:49 AM »
what did michelle say?

 ::)  ::)



Remember the other day you dismissed my statements concerning the grandes? 

now it looks ten time worse than even I thought.   



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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 09:01:11 AM »
2 explanation here.  which do you prefer?

1.  the US has fed and funded the border war for deades because it's good for business.

2.  obama continued bush's operation wide receiver policies, and the result was 2 US deaths. very tragic.

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 09:02:21 AM »
2 explanation here.  which do you prefer?

1.  the US has fed and funded the border war for deades because it's good for business.

2.  obama continued bush's operation wide receiver policies, and the result was 2 US deaths. very tragic.



Whatever bro - keep making a fool of yourself.  So sad what you have become.   A shadow of your former self.   

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 09:03:25 AM »
eh, you know the best way to see how you feel about a position is to make you defend it vigorously ;)


what fun would a "me too!' circle jerk thread be?

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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 09:05:01 AM »
They did not follow Bush tactics.   WR they never let the guns over the border and arrested the people on site.   

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2011, 09:22:42 AM »
They did not follow Bush tactics.   WR they never let the guns over the border and arrested the people on site.  

agreed.

so your chief criticism of holder is that he attempted to arrest more than some border-level peon delivery truck drivers.

He wanted to follow those guns, not arrest border guys who would be killed immediately upon their release 'in case' they were snitching.  Or, the "you get caught, that's yo family" threat.

Holder recognized Bush's tactic of capturing the border guys wasn't working.  Great work, right?

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 10:36:51 AM »
You are beyond gone.

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2011, 10:39:45 AM »
You are beyond gone.

settle down, you know i'm just fcking with you.  Obama/holder belong in a cell for it, but they'll get away with it.  I can accept that.


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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 10:52:31 AM »
settle down, you know i'm just fcking with you.  Obama/holder belong in a cell for it, but they'll get away with it.  I can accept that.






Remember that grendae attack in mexico a few weeks ago killing 54 at the casini?   Holders body count is up to 257.

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 10:54:22 AM »
Remember that grendae attack in mexico a few weeks ago killing 54 at the casini?   Holders body count is up to 257.


I thought u didn't care about dead mexicans?  only americans?

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 04:07:02 PM »
Lol.

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 04:18:00 PM »
eh, you know the best way to see how you feel about a position is to make you defend it vigorously ;)


what fun would a "me too!' circle jerk thread be?
is that why youre always trying to defend obama and his shit? to find out how you feel about it?

::) dumb ass

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2011, 04:41:10 PM »
is that why youre always trying to defend obama and his shit? to find out how you feel about it?

::) dumb ass

your insults make baby jesus cry.

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
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Gun Walking In the Midwest
Human Events ^ | 09/06/2011 | John Hayward
Posted on October 14, 2011 6:43:06 PM EDT by neverdem

First, we learned about Operation Fast and Furious, a program run from the Arizona offices the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, in which American guns were “walked” into Mexico. Straw buyers for drug cartels would make big purchases at American gun shops, while ATF agents watched on closed-circuit TV. The ostensible purpose of this project was to track the guns to their cartel end-users and take them down, but testimony to the House Oversight committee has revealed very few serious measures to track the weapons were ever in place, and not many arrests were made.

The whole thing fell apart in a hurry when U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed by border-hopping thugs, and weapons from Operation Fast and Furious were recovered from the scene of the crime. Dozens Fast and Furious guns have begun turning up at crime scenes north of the border.

Then we learned about Operation Castaway, a similar program operating from the ATF’s Florida offices, which put guns into the hands of Honduran criminals. One of the most violent gangs in the world, MS-13, has strong ties to Honduras.

Now the Washington Examiner has an exclusive story about a domestic Gun Walker operation, in which the ATF watched straw buyers haul firearms out of a gun shop in Indiana:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has acknowledged an Indiana dealer’s cooperation in conducting straw purchases at the direction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Exclusive documents obtained by Gun Rights Examiner show the dealer cooperated with ATF by selling guns to straw purchasers, and that bureau management later asserted these guns were being traced to crimes.
Some of these straw buyers had felony convictions that should have stopped the gun sales, but the FBI overrode the system so the purchases could go forward.

The ATF eventually started hassling the gun dealer in question, due to “an unusually high number of traces of new crime guns with a relatively short time-to-crime.” His lawyer patiently explained to the chief of the ATF’s National Tracing Center, Charles Houser, that his own agency made those gun sales happen:

Specifically, my client participated with and cooperated in certain law enforcement operations during 2009/2010 at the behest of ATFE enforcement officers from the Evansville, Indiana office (Agent Kevin Whittaker) and in the course of doing so, followed their instructions regarding the completion of certain transactions and the delivery of firearms to purchasers who did not clear the standard NICS [National Instant Check System] background check and were suspected of being involved in the purchase and transportation of handguns out of state despite passing NICS’s background checks.
The attorney asked for a list of the crime guns Houser was interested in tracing, but instead he got a voice mail from Houser promising to drop his client from the ATF’s gun-walking program. Then the story gets really weird, because later that day, a completely different person named Brenda Bennett called the attorney, claiming she was the chief of the National Tracing Center, and stating that the dealer would be dropped from the ATF’s demand list for tracing information.

This all suggests that a number of the Indiana gun-walking weapons might have found their way into mischief, and the ATF is experiencing the same kind of institutional panic that struck after Agent Terry died. As the Gun Walker bloodhounds at Sipsey Street Irregulars note, “the principal markets for straw-purchased weapons in Indiana is Chicago.” Uh-oh.

David Codrea of the Washington Examiner wonders what the Special Agent in Charge of the region, Robert J. Browning, knows about these events, and tops it off by asking a Big Question best expressed through Congressional subpoenas:

It’s also fair to ask if it seems credible that such similar operations would develop independently in the Southwest (“Project Gunwalker”) and the Midwest (“Project Gangwalker’?), without authorization from and oversight coordination by Main Justice.
Meanwhile, back at the Phoenix ATF office that produced so many of our cherished Gun Walker memories, there’s a freak-out in progress over a gentleman named Jean Baptiste Kingory, who was released by the ATF after he was caught supplying hand grenades to the Mexican cartels. Evan Perez of the Wall Street Journal reports:

ATF agents arrested Mr. Kingery in Arizona in June 2010 after months of surveillance and seized 116 grenade hulls and parts in his possession, the officials said.
The suspect told investigators he helped operate a mill in Mexico manufacturing improvised explosive devices made from the U.S.-sourced grenade components, they said. Mr. Kingery allegedly said he supplied the weapons to a cartel called La Familia Michoacana and also helped the cartel convert semiautomatic rifles into military-style machine guns.

Nonetheless, he walked free without being charged after just hours in custody, officials said.

That decision is at the crux of a bitter fight between ATF agents and prosecutors at the U.S. attorney's office in Phoenix. The lead ATF agent on the grenades case, Peter Forcelli, "was horrified with the thought of releasing this individual" and "practically begged" senior prosecutor Emory Hurley "for permission to arrest the suspect on a criminal complaint," according to an Aug. 31 letter sent to a congressional committee on Mr. Forcelli's behalf by an attorney with the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, a group that provides legal assistance to law enforcement officers.

Officials from the U.S. attorney's office dispute that Mr. Hurley, who oversaw both Fast and Furious and the Kingery cases, declined to prosecute, according to officials familiar with the accounts provided to investigators. These officials said prosecutors wanted to continue following the case and possibly bring charges at a later date.

Officials from the U.S. attorney's office also have told investigators that the ATF agents freed Mr. Kingery because the agents wanted to make him an informant. Mr. Kingery maintained contact with agents for several weeks, then disappeared, the U.S. officials familiar with the case said.

Part of the Kingery saga involved setting him up with “hundreds of grenade parts” in the United States, then allowing him to cross the border into Mexico, as part of a sting operation in early 2010. Unfortunately, they “lost Mr. Kingery on the highway to the border, and Mexican authorities failed to stop him at the crossing.” Whoops!

Forcelli is one of the whistleblower agents who has testified about Operation Fast and Furious before the House Oversight committee. He’s being accused of letting Kingery walk without proper clearance, but insists he had “high-level approval.”

This led Forcelli to believe he may be the target of official retaliation, which prompted Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) to investigate the grenade case as “an extension of their Fast and Furious probe.” Supposedly findings from the Justice Department review of this case were instrumental in bumping Acting ATF Director Ken Melson out of his office. We can only hope those grenades don’t find their way back across the border, as so many Fast and Furious guns have.

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
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Grenade Walking: Catch the Fever
Human Events ^ | 10/14/2011 | John Hayward
Posted on October 14, 2011 4:59:29 PM EDT by neverdem

Back in September, I noted a Wall Street Journal piece about a gentleman named Jean Baptiste Kingery, who was walking not guns, but hand grenades across the border into Mexico. “Horrified” ATF agents were over-ridden by the U.S. Attorney’s office and forced to watch while Kingery’s pineapple express rolled out to the drug cartels, which are not at all shy about lobbing them into crowded areas.

CBS News reports the Kingery case has caught the attention of Fast and Furious investigators:

CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, who has reported on this story from the beginning, said on "The Early Show" that the investigation into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)'s so-called "Fast and Furious" operation branches out to a case involving grenades. Sources tell her a suspect was left to traffic and manufacture them for Mexican drug cartels.
Police say Jean Baptiste Kingery, a U.S. citizen, was a veritable grenade machine. He's accused of smuggling parts for as many as 2,000 grenades into Mexico for killer drug cartels -- sometimes under the direct watch of U.S. law enforcement.

Law enforcement sources say Kingery could have been prosecuted in the U.S. twice for violating export control laws, but that, each time, prosecutors in Arizona refused to make a case.

Grenades are weapons-of-choice for the cartels. An attack on Aug. 25 in a Monterrey, Mexico casino killed 53 people.

Anyone who still maintains “gun walking,” and its more explosive “grenade walking” offshoot, were rogue ATF operations that can be firewalled from the rest of the Justice Department can stop pretending to believe that:

Sources tell CBS News that, in January 2010, ATF had Kingery under surveillance after he bought about 50 grenade bodies and headed to Mexico. But they say prosecutors wouldn't agree to make a case. So, as ATF agents looked on, Kingery and the grenade parts crossed the border -- and simply disappeared.
Six months later, Kingery allegedly got caught leaving the U.S. for Mexico with 114 disassembled grenades in a tire. One ATF agent told investigators he literally begged prosecutors to keep Kingery in custody this time, fearing he was supplying narco-terrorists, but was again ordered to let Kingery go.

Of course, everyone at the U.S. Attorney’s office involved in this fiasco has been stricken with a bad case of laryngitis, with complications ranging from reassignment to resignation.

Oh well, at least this was just one joker with a few crates full of grenade parts, right? Wrong:

Attkisson added on "The Early Show" that, in August, Mexican authorities raided Kingery's stash house and factory, finding materials for 1,000 grenades. He was charged with trafficking and allegedly admitted not only to making grenades, but also to teaching cartels how to make them, as well as helping cartel members convert semi-automatic rifles to fully-automatic. As one source put it: There's no telling how much damage Kingery did in the year-and-a-half since he was first let go. The Justice Department inspector general is now investigating this, along with "Fast and Furious."

You can see why the Mexican government is so upset by this Fast and Furious business. The Obama Administration has already done more damage to Mexico than it will ever do to Iran, and the Mexican government wasn’t even plotting to blow up embassies and restaurants.

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 03:18:44 PM »
April 25, 2012 1:23 PM

ATF's mysterious grenade smuggler case: new photos, documents turned over to Congress

By Sharyl Attkisson .



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57421072-10391695/atfs-mysterious-grenade-smuggler-case-new-photos-documents-turned-over-to-congress


New evidence photos recently turned over to Congress show a stash of grenade parts, fuse assemblies and more than 2,000 rounds of ammunition.



Evidence photos just turned over to Congress under subpoena show a frightening stash of grenade parts, fuse assemblies and more than 2,000 rounds of ammunition. It was all hidden in a spare tire of an SUV crossing from the US to Mexico in 2010. The accused smuggler, an alleged drug cartel arms dealer named Jean Baptise Kingery, was questioned by agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) but released.

Documents handed over to Congress by the Justice Department shed new light on missteps in the grenades case, and how ATF tracked the suspect for years.


ATF started watching Kingery in "2004 related to AK47 purchases," according to an internal email, "it is believed that he is trafficking them to Mexico." A full five years later in late 2009, ATF also learned Kingery was dealing in grenades: he'd ordered 120 grenade bodies on the Internet.


Grenades are weapons of choice for Mexico's killer drug cartels. An attack on a casino in Mexico last year killed 53 people.


Documents show ATF secretly intercepted the grenade bodies Kingery had ordered, marked them, and delivered them to him on Jan. 26, 2010. Their plan was to follow Kingery to his weapons factory in Mexico, with help from Mexican authorities Immigration and Customs (ICE).


 
Jean Baptise Kingery

(Credit: AP) ATF realized they might lose track of Kingery and the grenade parts in Mexico. But their emails show little attention to those who could be killed. Instead, officials expressed concerned with tying the grenades to Kingery after they reached Mexico. "Even in a post blast, as long as the safety lever is recovered we will be able to identify these tagged grenades," says one email.


An official now investigating ATF and the Justice Department for their actions in the Kingery case tells CBS News: "All the usual safeguards of law enforcement were thrown out. They were more worried about making a big case than they were about the public safety."


The plan to allow Kingery to traffic grenade parts into a foreign country and track him to his factory drew strong internal objections.


"That's not possible," wrote a lead ATF official in Mexico. "We are forbidden from doing that type of activity. If ICE is telling you they can do that, they are full of [expletive]..."


ATF officials in Mexico worried that once Kingery and the grenades crossed the border, they would disappear. And that's exactly what happened. Though ATF agents say they'd given all the specifics to Mexican military and police, the Mexicans failed to stop Kingery once he crossed into Mexico.


Four months later, Kingery surfaced again in the U.S. This time, the Border Patrol caught him trying to smuggle the new stash of grenade hulls shown in the photos. ATF questioned him but, once again, he was let go. Nobody has stepped forward to explain why Kingery was released after this incident. He allegedly continued to supply the Mexican drug cartels for another year and a half.


 
Evidence photos turned over to Congress
Kingery might still be on the street if Mexican authorities hadn't arrested him last August after raiding his stash house and factory. Police say they found enough parts to build 1,000 grenades. They also say Kingery confessed to teaching cartels how to make grenades, as well as helping them convert semi-automatic weapons to fully-automatic.


The Justice Department Inspector General is investigating the Kingery case along with ATF's Operation Fast and Furious, which allowed thousands of assault rifles and other weapons to "walk" into the hands of Mexican drug cartels in a failed attempt to take down a major cartel.


There are some similarities between the Kingery grenade case and Fast and Furious. The chief suspect in Fast and Furious, Manuel Celis-Acosta was stopped by law enforcement three times but released -- while allegedly trafficking firearms for cartels. It wasn't until weapons linked to him turned up at the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry that ATF finally charged Acosta.


The Kingery case and Fast and Furious were both supervised out of ATF's Phoenix office by Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell. It was Newell who wrote an email and delivered the bad news about Kingery to Washington DC headquarters: Mexican officials "lost Kingery" even though "they had plenty of notice and descriptive info."


The Justice Department and ATF had no immediate comment.

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 04:17:17 PM »
eh, you know the best way to see how you feel about a position is to make you defend it vigorously ;)


what fun would a "me too!' circle jerk thread be?
is this why you always defend obama?

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Re: CBS news: "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 05:55:18 PM »
Issa should have obama on the stand for this.

TOo bad kenneth starr wasn't the prosecutor - he was 1 vote away from clinton getting booted outta office, wasn't he?  lol

issa couldn't convict a ham sandwich.