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Public-sector austerity in one graph
« on: June 12, 2012, 02:59:08 PM »
click the link and look at the chart: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/public-sector-austerity-in-one-graph/2012/06/11/gJQAv89NVV_blog.html


Since Obama was elected, the public sector has lost about 600,000 jobs. If you put those jobs back, the unemployment rate would be 7.8 percent.

But what if we did more than that? At this point in George W. Bush’s administration, public-sector employment had grown by 3.7 percent. That would be equal to a bit over 800,000 jobs today. If you add those hypothetical jobs, the unemployment rate falls to 7.3 percent.
Today, Ben Polak, chairman of the economics department at Yale University, and Peter K. Schott, professor of economics at the Yale School of Management, widen the lens, with similar results:

There is something historically different about this recession and its aftermath: in the past, local government employment has been almost recession-proof. This time it’s not. Going back as long as the data have been collected (1955), with the one exception of the 1981 recession, local government employment continued to grow almost every month regardless of what the economy threw at it. But since the latest recession began, local government employment has fallen by 3 percent, and is still falling. In the equivalent period following the 1990 and 2001 recessions, local government employment grew 7.7 and 5.2 percent. Even following the 1981 recession, by this stage local government employment was up by 1.4 percent...

Without this hidden austerity program, the economy would look very different. If state and local governments had followed the pattern of the previous two recessions, they would have added 1.4 million to 1.9 million jobs and overall unemployment would be 7.0 to 7.3 percent instead of 8.2 percent.

In the graph atop this post, I ran the numbers on total government employment after the 1981, 1990, 2001 and 2008 recessions. I made government employment on the eve of the recession equal to “1,” so what you’re seeing is total change in the ensuing 54 months, which is how much time has elapsed since the start of this recession.

As you can see, government employment tends to rise during recessions, helping to cushion their impact. But with the exception of a spike when we hired temporary workers for the decennial census, it’s fallen sharply during this recession.

Note that a Republican was president after the 1981, 1990 and 2000 recessions. Public-sector austerity looks a lot better to conservatives when they’re out of power than when they’re in it

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Re: Public-sector austerity in one graph
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 04:10:39 PM »
so now its the states fault that obama is presiding over one of the worst economies in the history of the country?


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Re: Public-sector austerity in one graph
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 04:33:38 PM »
so now its the states fault that obama is presiding over one of the worst economies in the history of the country?

just pointing out that every Republican POTUS has grown public sector jobs as a way to boost the economy during a recession

and as I'm sure you know, many red states get more money in federal funds than they pay in taxes.


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Re: Public-sector austerity in one graph
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 04:38:18 PM »
just pointing out that every Republican POTUS has grown public sector jobs as a way to boost the economy during a recession

and as I'm sure you know, many red states get more money in federal funds than they pay in taxes.


and what did the previous potus's do per your article exactly?

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Re: Public-sector austerity in one graph
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 04:39:24 PM »
the article was about local govt, not federal govt.

so again what did the previous potus's do?

how do you know that this is the reason for the recovery in those recessions?

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Re: Public-sector austerity in one graph
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 04:57:33 PM »
the article was about local govt, not federal govt.

so again what did the previous potus's do?

how do you know that this is the reason for the recovery in those recessions?

the article was about about 3 Republican POTUS's increased public sector jobs in order to help get out of a recession and pointing out that only one POTUS has actually not be able to/prevented from doing this (guess which one)

As you know, state and local governments get federal funds and some of those funds can be used for local public employment

anyway - the point is that only in this rescession has the provable workable tool of increasing public employment been taken off the table

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Re: Public-sector austerity in one graph
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2012, 05:00:57 PM »
the article was about about 3 Republican POTUS's increased public sector jobs in order to help get out of a recession and pointing out that only one POTUS has actually not be able to/prevented from doing this (guess which one)

As you know, state and local governments get federal funds and some of those funds can be used for local public employment

anyway - the point is that only in this rescession has the provable workable tool of increasing public employment been taken off the table


You really are a stupid person.   The states have to balance their budgets moron and cant add paper pushers when they are broke already.  And Obama fiurst stim bill that was supposed to fix the economy did the very thing idiots like ezra advocate.  It failed! 

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Re: Public-sector austerity in one graph
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2012, 05:01:32 PM »
the article was about about 3 Republican POTUS's increased public sector jobs in order to help get out of a recession and pointing out that only one POTUS has actually not be able to/prevented from doing this (guess which one)

As you know, state and local governments get federal funds and some of those funds can be used for local public employment

anyway - the point is that only in this rescession has the provable workable tool of increasing public employment been taken off the table
there isnt anything in your original post that says the past presidents did anything to promote this...

they havent been taken off the table at all, you think the only way to give more money to local govt is to raise taxes?

how about cutting spending in other areas and giving that to local gov.?