Clinton ‘laying the groundwork’ for Hillary by ‘undermining Obama’

[Hugo Chavez]

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Ralph Nader: Bill Clinton ‘laying the groundwork’ for Hillary by ‘undermining Obama’

Former Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader told The Daily Caller that former President Bill Clinton is “undermining (President Barack) Obama” to lay the “groundwork” for Hillary Clinton’s presidential run in 2016.
 
Clinton recently told CNN that Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s business record at Bain Capital is “sterling.” TheDC asked Nader if he agreed with Clinton’s statement.
 
“He’s laying down the groundwork for Hillary Clinton running for president in 2016. Everything she is doing and everything he is doing argues that they want to run Hillary Clinton for president in 2016, so while he might appear with Obama in fundraisers in New York and elsewhere, he’s basically undermining Obama,” Nader told TheDC on Capitol Hill after advocating for raising the minimum wage to $10 per hour.
 
Nader added that Clinton does not “necessarily” want Obama to lose re-election but doesn’t want the Clintons to be viewed as anti-business.
 
“He wants to appear with Hillary as very friendly to business. He operates out of New York City. He doesn’t want to alienate Wall Street,” Nader said.


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Possible!... I wouldn't doubt it!

[Straw Man]

why would he have to undermine Obama now to "lay groundwork" for Hilary in 2016

Obama can't run in 2016 so what would be the point of trying to harm him now as some sort of gambit to help Hilary 4 years from now

If anything, hurting Dem POTUS now would hurt Hilary chances in 2016

[Hugo Chavez]

why would he have to undermine Obama now to "lay groundwork" for Hilary in 2016

Obama can't run in 2016 so what would be the point of trying to harm him now as some sort of gambit to help Hilary 4 years from now

If anything, hurting Dem POTUS now would hurt Hilary chances in 2016

probably because there's a noticible shift against the party in power.  During hard times that shift is going to be even greater.  The thinking is that Hillary would have an better chance running against a republican incumbent than making a case for 4 more dem years in the white house.

[Straw Man]

probably because there's a noticible shift against the party in power.  During hard times that shift is going to be even greater.  The thinking is that Hillary would have an better chance running against a republican incubant than making a case for 4 more dem years in the white house.

so the real message is that Nader thinks Clinton is intentionally trying to hurt Obama's chances for re-election and solely on the slim chance that it puts Hilary in a stronger position in 4 years when she "might" run

Interesting CT on Naders part

Personally - I'm not buying it

[Hugo Chavez]

so the real message is that Nader thinks Clinton is intentionally trying to hurt Obama's chances for re-election and solely on the slim chance that it puts Hilary in a stronger position in 4 years when she "might" run

Interesting CT on Naders part

Personally - I'm not buying it

yea, I don't think anybody can say this is what is happening for sure.  This is political stategy and guessing on that, not conspiracy theory.  My personal opinion is that Hillary would have a better chance running against Romney after 4 years than making a case for 12 years of dems in the White House, especially since the next 4 years are likely to be still down unemployment/economy wise.  We're not going to just spring out of this ressession.  If the Clinton analysis comes to the same thinking, I don't doubt that they would manuever for the better shot if the White House is still Hillary's goal.

[Straw Man]

yea, I don't think anybody can say this is what is happening for sure.  This is political stategy and guessing on that, not conspiracy theory.  My personal opinion is that Hillary would have a better chance running against Romney after 4 years than making a case for 12 years of dems in the White House, especially since the next 4 years are likely to be still down unemployment/economy wise.  We're not going to just spring out of this ressession.  If the Clinton analysis comes to the same thinking, I don't doubt that they would manuever for the better shot if the White House is still Hillary's goal.

I'm calling it a CT on Naders part since he has no proof whatsover that this is true and I think it's incredibly far fetched that Bill Clinton would even do that (IMO)

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm calling it a CT on Naders part since he has no proof whatsover that this is true and I think it's incredibly far fetched that Bill Clinton would even do that (IMO)

well in that case I could call a hundred CT's a day just watching CNN, MSNBC and Fox.

[MCWAY]

why would he have to undermine Obama now to "lay groundwork" for Hilary in 2016

Obama can't run in 2016 so what would be the point of trying to harm him now as some sort of gambit to help Hilary 4 years from now

If anything, hurting Dem POTUS now would hurt Hilary chances in 2016

Because Hilary would gain more support (in theory) by running against an incumbent Republican vs. a mere GOP candidate.

Besides, Obama is undermining himself. All Slick Willie is doing is telling the truth. It happens to have the pleasant side effect (for him) of undermining Obama and helping Hilary, if she wants to go.

He can say, Hey, I did my best to help, but this guy just plain SUCKS!!" or "Hey, at least I showed up in Wisconsin!! Had you hire my wife in the first place, we wouldn't be in this mess.

[Hugo Chavez]

I just said that I wouldn't doubt that Clinton would do that and that it's not a conspiracy if he did do that.  He could make that choice and do this all on his own.  A conspriacy has to involve 2 or more parties acting toward a result that one could not obtain alone.  That's why this isn't a conspriacy even if it's true.

[Skip8282]

Hillary is looking very very old these days.  And gained a lot of wait.  I'm thinking after this gig, she's done.

That said...I don't think he's undermining too much.  He was just apologizing for shit he said, like a little bitch, the other day.

[Hugo Chavez]

He was just apologizing for shit he said, like a little bitch, the other day.

what was that about, I didn't hear about it?

[Hugo Chavez]

Hillary is looking very very old these days.  And gained a lot of wait.  I'm thinking after this gig, she's done.

That said...I don't think he's undermining too much.  He was just apologizing for shit he said, like a little bitch, the other day.

Found it.  This makes me wonder even more if that was exactly what Clinton was doing lol...

"Clinton on Thursday apologized for repeatedly stepping on the Obama campaign’s message in recent days and said that his comments were not intended to undercut the president."
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/clinton-apologizes-for-stepping-on-obama-message-20120607