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Deli Turkey
« on: July 10, 2012, 01:07:11 PM »
Other than what seems to be a high level of sodium, which doesn't concern me, I don't see a problem with consuming this on a regular basis for lunch and as a way to meet protein targets.  Am I missing something?  Thoughts please.

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 02:55:13 PM »
*Perhaps a leaner cut is in order- 5g per serving seems a bit high

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 09:35:37 PM »
Get one of those rotisserie chickens instead its real meat, deli turkey protein is filled with preservatives and the BV of the protein is low

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 10:15:41 PM »
i cook my meat (seasoning and all), then weight it out in tupperware and freeze it. All i have to do is pop it in the microwave for 2min and it's ready.

...but deli meat is ok in moderation.

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 01:17:34 PM »
Other than what seems to be a high level of sodium, which doesn't concern me, I don't see a problem with consuming this on a regular basis for lunch and as a way to meet protein targets.  Am I missing something?  Thoughts please.

Probably best to avoid deli meats altogether.  It's EASY enough to throw some breasts on a sheet pan, brush with a small amount of olive oil, season with Kosher salt and fresh cracked pepper, and bake 350 for 30-40 min.


The five things you need to know:

1. There are three types of cold cut meat and poultry products: Whole cuts of meats or poultry that are cooked and then sliced (examples: roast beef, corned beef, turkey breast), sectioned and formed products and processed products.

    Whole cuts are exactly what they sound like — a section of meat or poultry that has been cooked, possibly flavored with salt, spices or sugars that is then sliced, typically the more expensive type of cold cuts.

Sectioned and formed meat products are restructured meat products, such as multi-part turkey breasts or cooked hams. They are prepared from chunks or pieces of meat and are bonded together to form a single piece. The substances that bind these together are non-meat additives, meat emulsions and extracted myofibrillar proteins. Typically they are produced by extracting the meat proteins (by adding salt and massaging or tumbling the meat, which brings these “sticky” proteins to the surface) or by adding non-meat proteins. Myosin is the major protein that is extracted. The meat becomes soft and pliable and is then shaped through the application of force using different molds or casings. It is then cooked to coagulate the proteins, which bind the chunks of meat together in its new shape.

Processed meats (sausages) are the majority of what we call cold cuts. About 15% of all meat produced in the U.S. is used to make these which number over 200 varieties. Sausage manufacturing includes any type of meat that is chopped, seasoned and formed into a symmetrical shape, for example, bologna. There are two methods for preparing the ingredients: emulsion, where the meat is finely chopped and the hydrophobic proteins react with fat, the opposite protein, and the hydrophilic react with water to hold fat in the solution (bologna, Vienna sausages, hot dogs) and non emulsion, which is typically for coarser grinds. The same basic technology is used as for sectioned and formed meat products, but with no tumbling and massaging required. There are several meat sources for sausages including beef, pork, mutton, veal, and poultry; meat by-products are also used sometimes, like lips, tripe, pork stomachs and heart.

2. Read the fine print.
One of the questions I’m most asked has to do with “nitrates” that are listed in the ingredients on some cold cut packages.

Sodium nitrite helps prevent the growth of Clostridium botulinum, which can cause botulism in humans and is also used alone or in conjunction with sodium nitrate as a color fixative in cured meat and poultry products (bologna, hot dogs, bacon). During the cooking process, nitrites combine with amines naturally present in meat to form carcinogenic N-nitroso compounds. It is also suspected that nitrites can combine with amines in the human stomach to form N-nitroso compounds. These compounds are known carcinogens and have been associated with cancer of the oral cavity, urinary bladder, esophagus, stomach and brain.

Research in Sweden found that Swedes who ate on average three ounces of processed meat each day had a 15 percent greater chance of developing stomach cancer than those who consumed two ounces or less. Results of a study by the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii and the University of Southern California reported in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute (2005;97:1458-65) of 190,000 people, ages 45 to 75, for seven years state that those who ate the most processed meat (bacon, ham, cold cuts) had a 68% higher risk of pancreatic cancer than those who ate the least. “Most” was defined as at least 0.6 ounce processed meat, one ounce beef or 0.3 ounce pork per 1,000 calories consumed.

Dieticians suggest that you can help reduce the possible cancer-causing effects of sodium nitrite by consuming protective antioxidants before meals, such as vitamin C and vitamin E. But, remember, no vitamin offers 100% protection.

Here’s a glossary of some other ingredients from the USDA’s Food Safety and Inspection Service Labeling Regulations:

Added solutions (with juices): Products with added solutions that are cooked in an impervious bag and as a result of the cooking contain free flowing juices that are not drained, should be labeled to reflect the solution and the juices, e.g. “Roast Beef Contains up to 12 percent solution with Juices.”

Added solutions (poultry) (boneless): Boneless poultry products containing solutions can be labeled similarly to the PFF language for cured pork products, that is — “Cured Chicken and Water Product X percent of Weight is Added Ingredients.” The terms — “with natural juices” or “water added” — are not permitted since both terms do not adequately convey the amount of solution added to the poultry products. Additionally, the term — “with natural juices” is misleading when a solution is introduced into poultry product by means of marinating, soaking, or injecting.

BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene), BHA (butylated hydroxyanisole), tocopherols (vitamin E): Antioxidants that help maintain the appeal and wholesome qualities of food by retarding rancidity in fats, sausages and dried meats, as well as helping to protect some of the natural nutrients in foods, such as vitamin A.

Bromelin: An enzyme that can dissolve or degrade the proteins collagen and elastin to soften meat and poultry tissue. It is derived from pineapple fruit and leaves, and is used as a meat tenderizer.

Carrageenan: Seaweed is the source of this additive. It may be used in products as binder.

Chemical free: Beware, this term is not allowed to be put on any meats or poultry labels.

Citric acid: Widely distributed in nature in both plants and animals. It can be used as an additive to protect the fresh color of meat cuts during storage. Citric acid also helps protect flavor and increases the effectiveness of antioxidants.

Corn syrup: Sugar that is derived from the hydrolysis of corn starch. Uses include flavoring agent and sweetener in meat and poultry products.

Emulsifier: Substance added to products, such as meat spreads, to prevent separation of product components to ensure consistency. Examples of these types of additives include lecithin, and mono- and di-glycerides.

Ficin: Enzyme derived from fig trees that is used as a meat tenderizer.

Gelatin: Thickener from collagen, which is derived from the skin, tendons, ligaments or bones of livestock. It may be used in canned hams or jellied meat products.

Humectant: Substance added to foods to help retain moisture and soft texture. An example is glycerine, which may be used in dried meat snacks.

Hydrolyzed (source) protein: Flavor enhancers that can be used in meat and poultry products. They are made from protein obtained from a plant source such as soy or wheat, or from an animal source, such as milk. The source used must be identified on the label.

Modified food starch: Starch that has been chemically altered to improve its thickening properties. Before the starch is modified, it is separated from the protein through isolation techniques; therefore, the source of the starch used is not required on the label.

Monosodium glutamate (MSG): MSG is a flavor enhancer. It comes from a common amino acid, glutamic acid, and must be declared as monosodium glutamate on meat and poultry labels.

Papain: An enzyme that can dissolve or degrade the proteins collagen and elastin to soften meat and poultry tissue. It is derived from the tropical papaya tree and is used as a meat tenderizer.

Phosphates: The two beneficial effects of phosphates in meat and poultry products are moisture retention and flavor protection. An example is the use of phosphates in the curing of ham where approved additives are sodium or potassium salts of tripolyphosphate, hexametaphosphate, acid pyrophosphate or orthophosphates, declared as “phosphates” on labels.

Propyl gallate: Used as an antioxidant to prevent rancidity in products such as rendered fats or pork sausage. It can be used in combination with antioxidants such as BHA and BHT.

Rancid/rancidity: Oxidation/breakdown of fat that occurs naturally causing undesirable smell and taste. BHA/BHT and tocopherols are used to keep fats from becoming rancid.

Sodium caseinate: Used as a binder in products such as frankfurters and stews.

Sodium erythorbate: The sodium salt of erythorbic acid, a highly refined food-grade chemical closely related to vitamin C, synthesized from sugar, and used as a color fixative in preparing cured meats. (Note: Erythorbate is not earthworms. Perhaps the spelling or pronunciation has contributed to this misconception because the hotline receives many calls related to this concern.)

Sodium nitrite: Used alone or in conjunction with sodium nitrate as a color fixative in cured meat and poultry products (bologna, hot dogs, bacon). Helps prevent growth of Clostridium botulinum, which can cause botulism in humans.

Sugar (sucrose): Used as sweetener in an endless list of food products.

Texturizers/stabilizers/thickeners: Used in foods to help maintain uniform texture or consistency. These are substances that are commonly called binders. Examples are gelatin and carrageenan.

Whey, dried: The dried form of a component of milk that remains after cheese making. Can be used as a binder or extender in various meat products, such as sausage and stews.

My recommendation for those people who want to avoid any chemicals or artificial ingredients is to buy certified organic lunch meats, which typically cost between 10 and 40% more, but are a guaranteed way to avoid these ingredients. However, since organic products don’t contain these preservatives be sure to store them properly and consumer them within one or two days.

3. The danger of cold cuts: Listeria
No doubt you’ll remember the story about some lunch meat products being recalled for Listeria contamination. It happened almost ten years ago when 35 million pounds of hot dogs and processed luncheon meats were recalled following an outbreak when almost 100 people in 22 states became ill, and 20 people died. It’s a serious food safety issue that you need to pay attention to. Since the outbreak, regulations have been changed and include the safety precaution that food processors must now hold more product, and for a longer time, if a sample tests positive for Listeria, to prevent the distribution of potentially contaminated foods.

Listeriosis is an infection caused by eating food contaminated with the bacterium Listeria monocytogenes, with an estimated 2,500 persons in the U.S. becoming seriously ill and 500 of these resulting in death each year. The disease affects primarily pregnant women (who are 20 times more likely to become infected and develop a severe illness), newborns and adults with weakened immune systems. The symptoms include fever, muscle aches and sometimes gastrointestinal symptoms such as nausea or diarrhea. If infection spreads to the nervous system, symptoms such as headache, stiff neck, confusion, loss of balance or convulsions can occur. Infected pregnant women may experience only a mild, flu-like illness; however, infections during pregnancy can lead to miscarriage or stillbirth, premature delivery or infection of the newborn. Healthy adults and children occasionally get infected with Listeria, but they rarely become seriously ill.

Listeria is killed by pasteurization and cooking; however, in certain ready-to-eat foods such as hot dogs and deli meats, contamination may occur after cooking but before packaging.

To protect against listeriosis, the government advises consumers to thoroughly cook raw animal products, thoroughly wash all food that is to be eaten raw like fruits and vegetables, keep foods to be eaten raw separate from uncooked meats, and wash hands, knives and cutting boards with hot soapy water. Also, be sure to watch out for the juices from processed meats and sausages; it can transmit Listeria, so wash with hot water and soap anything that comes in contact with the juices.

Note: On Aug. 19, 2006, the Food and Drug Administration approved LMP 102, a bacteriophage-based product from Intralytix Inc., as a food additive to be sprayed on cold cuts before packaging. The bacteriophages are added to defend the meats from Listeria monocytogenes, the phages infect the bacteria, binding to the host and effectively killing all strains of Listeria. 

4. How much are you paying for water?
It is perfectly legal for food companies to add a water, sodium and water or even water and spices solution to many of the lunch meats including ham, roast beef and turkey, but they must be labeled clearly and state the exact percentage of solution that has been added — for example, “10% water-added” or “Contains Up To 10% Added Moisture,” which means you are paying for one pound of water for every ten pounds of meat that you buy.

Since food is sold by weight it’s important to read the labels, not only for the declaration of how much water or other solution has been added, but to see where “water” is listed in the ingredients.

5. Deli meats are highly perishable.
No food lasts forever, especially when it comes to cold cuts. While some of these products have natural or chemical preservatives to extend shelf life, packaged cold cuts once opened will only last three to five days. Cold cuts sliced fresh from the deli 1-3 days, if stored properly. Be sure to use an airtight plastic bag to store them and put them in the coldest part of the refrigerator.

Freshness dating of processed meats is a voluntary program and not mandated by the federal government. However, if there is a date on the package, by law, it must state clearly what the date signifies:

“Sell by” date means nothing more than telling the store how long to display the product for sale. Never buy the product after this date.

“Best if used by” date means the flavor, taste and quality of the product will be at its optimum before this date. It has nothing to do with freshness or safety.

“Use by” date means just that — don’t consumer the product after this date.

Phil Lempert is food editor of the “Today” show. He welcomes questions and comments, which can be sent to phil.lempert@nbc.com or by using the mail box below. For more about the latest trends on the supermarket shelves, visit Phil’s Web site at SuperMarketGuru.com.
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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 04:17:35 PM »
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Gelatin: Thickener from collagen, which is derived from the skin, tendons, ligaments or bones of livestock. It may be used in canned hams or jellied meat products.


Be forwarned that some supplement companies that market "beef protein" products are using majority collagen. Often, it appears right on the label!

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 04:59:45 PM »
Monty and Princess, very helpful thanks.  We must always remember that if we are not going to be lazy in the gym, then we shouldn't be lazy when it comes to the selection and preparation of our food.

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2012, 12:29:19 PM »
All good advice.  I try to avoid processed stuff as much as possible.  Right on the label you can see 680mg of sodium per serving.  That is a bunch of salt.  Better to grill some chicken or steak in the summer with a sprinkle of salt and pepper.   8)  Plus ... it just tastes better. 

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 02:22:50 PM »
I'd suggest baking the chicken breasts while basting them with butter or coconut oil. Keeps them from getting dry in the fridge.

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 03:27:07 PM »
I'd suggest baking the chicken breasts while basting them with butter or coconut oil. Keeps them from getting dry in the fridge.

Does the butter or coconut oil add appreciably to the fat continent or is it minimal?

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 05:51:32 PM »
Does the butter or coconut oil add appreciably to the fat continent or is it minimal?


It certainly adds to it, but coconut oil and butter fat is far from evil: http://www.livestrong.com/article/272678-list-of-foods-that-contain-medium-chain-triglycerides/

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2012, 05:53:48 PM »
Here is the link to a good thread we recently had regarding healthy fats: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=421419.0

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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2012, 11:37:08 AM »
Yep I started cooking with coconut oil and it is great.  The oil also doesn't seem to break down and turn brown like olive oil.  Plus using it for things like popcorn it gives a little flavor.   ;)

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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2012, 07:37:04 PM »
Yep I started cooking with coconut oil and it is great.  The oil also doesn't seem to break down and turn brown like olive oil.  Plus using it for things like popcorn it gives a little flavor.   ;)

Due to its much higher smoke point.  Olive oil does not do well at high temps, in fact it's not healthy at high temps.
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Re: Deli Turkey
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2012, 12:42:18 AM »
Due to its much higher smoke point.  Olive oil does not do well at high temps, in fact it's not healthy at high temps.

I knew it was not AS healthy.  Is it UN healthy at higher temps?

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2012, 06:19:56 AM »
I knew it was not AS healthy.  Is it UN healthy at higher temps?

It's not unique to olive oil. Any and all oils become toxic once they've been heated past their smoke point.

When oil is hot eneough to smoke, it decomposes. The smoke is toxic and the oil generates free radicals.

Generally, most of our cooking is not hot (or shouldn't be) enough or long enough to cause a problem.

Also, the smoke point of light, regular, extra virgin and extra extra virgin olive oil is different, extra extra having the lowest.


http://cchealth.clevelandclinic.org/heart-health/heart-healthy-cooking-oils-101/

http://www.oliveoilsource.com/page/heating-olive-oil/

Ultimately, olive oil should be consumed uncooked to reap the health benefits of it, but basic sauteing is fine (not UN healthy), it just loses it's benefits when heated )but if you prefer the taste, it's fine as long as you don't go above the smoke point).  If you're going to cook with olive oil, use the cheap stuff and save the good stuff for salads and such.


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