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'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« on: October 29, 2012, 01:30:42 PM »
Not very presidential of our leader. 

'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
Published October 29, 2012
FoxNews.com

Four years ago, then-candidate Barack Obama decried what he described as "the politics of insult."

"You don't deserve a bunch of name-calling," he told a Virginia crowd in the summer of 2008. "You don't deserve a bunch of mudslinging."

But lately, there have been more than a few insults flying on the 2012 campaign trail. Whether it's with cute turns of phrase like "Romnesia" or more serious invective, the president's campaign has gotten increasingly aggressive over the last few weeks in its denunciation of Mitt Romney.

The tone likely reflects the polls, which have been tightening ever since the Republican nominee's opening debate performance. Whatever the reason, it's evident that the "politics of insult" have not faded.

The following were overheard on the 2012 campaign trail:

"Bullsh--ter"

The president took a rip at Romney after a recent interview with Rolling Stone. In the article, published over the weekend, writer and historian Douglas Brinkley said that editor Eric Bates told the president that when he asked his six-year-old daughter if she wanted to say anything to Obama, she said: "Tell him: You can do it."

According to the piece, Obama then said: "Kids have good instincts. ... They look at the other guy and say, 'Well, that's a bullsh--ter, I can tell.'"

Obama later explained in an interview with a Denver reporter that the comment came during a "casual conversation" after the formal interview ended. The president appeared to defend the sentiment, though, saying people know that he means what he says.

"The basic point I've been talking about in this campaign -- people know what I mean," he said.

"Romnesia"

First came "Big Bird," then "binders full of women." But another favorite quip of late on the Obama campaign trail has been "Romnesia." It's the campaign-invented term for the condition that makes the Republican nominee allegedly forget or ignore his past positions. And the delivery of that punch-line has become increasingly involved.

"In the closing moments of the election, Governor Romney is hoping you, too, will come down with a severe case of Romnesia," Obama told a Cleveland crowd last Thursday. "So I'm here to tell you, Cleveland, if you start feeling a temperature, if you're eyes are getting a little blurry and your hearing is getting a little muffled, if you're feeling a little weak, you need to know that whatever the symptoms are, don't worry, Obamacare covers preexisting conditions. We can fix you up."

"Romney Hood"

At an Aug. 6 campaign stop, the president added a new zinger to his repertoire. He said Romney's tax policies were like "Robin Hood in reverse." He had a name for it - "Romney Hood."

Romney, though, returned the insult. In an interview with Fox News, Romney said that if he were to coin a term "it would be 'Obamaloney.'"

A felon?

In a July conference call responding to a Boston Globe piece that questioned when Romney actually left his old private equity company, Obama Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter raised some serious claims against the GOP nominee.

She said he was either "misrepresenting" his position at Bain Capital in filings to the Securities and Exchange Commission, "which is a felony," or he was misrepresenting his position to the American people.

While the Romney called the comment over the line -- with Republicans saying Cutter had effectively called the Republican nominee a potential felon -- Cutter said that wasn't what she was going for. Her advice for Republicans was to quit "whining."

Tied to a woman's death?

An August ad from Priorities USA, the biggest Obama-supporting super PAC, made waves when it featured a former GST Steel employee talking about how his wife died of cancer after he lost his job and benefits -- when Bain Capitol closed down the factory.

"I do not think Mitt Romney realizes what he's done to anyone, and furthermore, I do not think Mitt Romney is concerned," Joe Soptic said in the ad.

The suggestion that the Republican nominee was tied to Soptic's wife's death drew outrage from Republicans. But Priorities USA co-founder Bill Burton defended the ad, and said it wasn't trying to blame Romney for her death.

"Vampire"


Another, prior, ad about the demise of GST Steel featured Joe Soptic again, and other ex-employees, bashing Romney and Bain Capital for making money off their plant and then allegedly leaving it behind.

They compared Bain -- and by extension, Romney -- to a mythical monster.   

"It was like a vampire, it came in and sucked the life out of us," former steelworker Jack Cobb said in the video.

"Liar"

Charges of being dishonest were hardly uncommon this year, during the Republican primary and later in the presidential race.

After the first presidential debate, Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter said on CNN that Romney put out "lie after lie after lie" to look good. The Democratic National Committee's Brad Woodhouse was quoted in The Wall Street Journal saying people "have pointed out what a liar Mitt Romney is."

Obama adviser David Axelrod, in a conference call after the first debate, used the more Dickensian term, "artful dodger," to describe the challenging candidate.

While Romney's campaign complains that Obama has made the race about small things, the Obama campaign for its part has similar gripes against team Romney.

Over the weekend, after the Romney campaign mocked Vice President Biden for mistakenly referring to former Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine as "Tom Kaine," Obama spokeswoman Lis Smith retorted, "Once again, Mitt Romney's campaign is showing their focus on the big things -- like one letter in Tim Kaine's name."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/29/politics-insult-alive-and-well-despite-obama-2008-lament/

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 01:34:44 PM »
Obama's cult of delusional idiots and left wing moon bats don't see any of this.   They still see the fake media creation sold to them like a date rape drug and think the pusher is still in love with them. 

Sad lot of idiots that make up the obama base. 

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2012, 01:41:33 PM »
what's wrong with calling Romney a liar or pointing out that he sucked the life out of a steel plant or that he can't remember his own positions from one moment to the next

all of those things are true so why would anyone be upset about telling the truth


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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2012, 01:44:25 PM »
what's wrong with calling Romney a liar or pointing out that he sucked the life out of a steel plant or that he can't remember his own positions from one moment to the next

all of those things are true so why would anyone be upset about telling the truth




nothing wrong with it so long as obama does not complaint about the tone of language in policitics. 

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2012, 02:03:51 PM »

nothing wrong with it so long as obama does not complaint about the tone of language in policitics. 

too bad you can't understand that Obama's comment was in 2008 and not directed at Romeny

In 2012 when Romney lies he needs to be called out on it

Obama gave Romney a pass on his lies in the first debate and that didn't work out so well for him so he learned that you have to call a liar a liar and a bullshitter a bullshitter and when your oppenent changes his position from one day to the next you have to mock him for it


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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2012, 02:25:56 PM »
too bad you can't understand that Obama's comment was in 2008 and not directed at Romeny

In 2012 when Romney lies he needs to be called out on it

Obama gave Romney a pass on his lies in the first debate and that didn't work out so well for him so he learned that you have to call a liar a liar and a bullshitter a bullshitter and when your oppenent changes his position from one day to the next you have to mock him for it



I mock him for claiming to want to change the tone in politics while he gets in the gutter w the best of them 

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2012, 02:57:28 PM »
I mock him for claiming to want to change the tone in politics while he gets in the gutter w the best of them 

He has no choice

Voters don't want a POTUS who won't stand up to a liar

Given that you're the primary source of the most vile rhetoric on this board you should STFU

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2012, 02:58:49 PM »
He has no choice

Voters don't want a POTUS who won't stand up to a liar

Given that you're the primary source of the most vile rhetoric on this board you should STFU



LOL

Obama has always been in the gutter. 

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2012, 03:29:11 PM »
"We have these things called aircraft carriers..."

like arnold giving advices to the child franco.

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 03:34:53 PM »
So because in 2008 Obama wasn't addressing his comments at Romney that somehow excuses his current rhetoric.

So much for standards.

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 03:44:41 PM »
a whole lot of getbiggers who call people profane names at the drop of a hat are suddenly turning into offended little wimps by obama being a little harsh with romney.

Either you're a statesman/gentleman, or youre a tough MFer.

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2012, 03:45:54 PM »
So because in 2008 Obama wasn't addressing his comments at Romney that somehow excuses his current rhetoric.

So much for standards.
in straws mind yes it does...he also thinks its not hypocritical if youre ok with being chastised for being hypocritical...


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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2012, 03:46:38 PM »
a whole lot of getbiggers who call people profane names at the drop of a hat are suddenly turning into offended little wimps by obama being a little harsh with romney.

Either you're a statesman/gentleman, or youre a tough MFer.
are those getbiggers telling other getbiggers to not name call?

dont really see your point if they arent.

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2012, 03:54:42 PM »
Everyone seems ready to criticize the candidates for their actions. I wonder if any of you have tried to put yourselves in their position?  Ask yourself, how would you conduct your campaign if you were running for the Presidency today? At this point in the campaign, would you stay the course of the "high road" even if it costs you the election, or would you stoop to the same tactics your opponant is using?

The sad part is that we all know politicians skew the truth to get themselves elected, I don't care whether they are Republican, Democratic or Libertarians. What is eventually boils down to

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2012, 03:56:35 PM »
So because in 2008 Obama wasn't addressing his comments at Romney that somehow excuses his current rhetoric.

So much for standards.

no excuse

the public won't vote for a POTUS who won't stand up to  liar and a bully

Obama learned that in the first debate

If he doesn't call Romney on his bullshit he loses

Romney is so profoundly dishonest I can't think of anyone else who even comes close

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 03:57:12 PM »
are those getbiggers telling other getbiggers to not name call?

dont really see your point if they arent.

a few getbiggers feigned 'outrage' at obama using mean words at obama.  in the meantime, they call obama every name under the sun haha.

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 04:01:19 PM »
Everyone seems ready to criticize the candidates for their actions. I wonder if any of you have tried to put yourselves in their position?  Ask yourself, how would you conduct your campaign if you were running for the Presidency today? At this point in the campaign, would you stay the course of the "high road" even if it costs you the election, or would you stoop to the same tactics your opponant is using?

The sad part is that we all know politicians skew the truth to get themselves elected, I don't care whether they are Republican, Democratic or Libertarians. What is eventually boils down to
I would strive to stay as on point as possible, I try not to sacrifice my core beliefs in day to day life and I would try to do the same in a political campaign.

We shouldnt accept shit like this from either side and the fact that we do is the real sad thing. Politics didnt just become like this, it became like this because we as a public allowed it to.

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 04:02:58 PM »
a few getbiggers feigned 'outrage' at obama using mean words at obama.  in the meantime, they call obama every name under the sun haha.
Obama used mean words at obama?

that must be some shrewd political manuevering meant to spin it like Romney said it eh?

Im sure you were right there spinning like a top

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2012, 04:23:27 PM »
I would strive to stay as on point as possible, I try not to sacrifice my core beliefs in day to day life and I would try to do the same in a political campaign.

We shouldnt accept shit like this from either side and the fact that we do is the real sad thing. Politics didnt just become like this, it became like this because we as a public allowed it to.

I right with you on your idealism. -Fact is I refuse to sacrifice my core beliefs too, even when sticking to my guns brings me some grief. I would like to think that if I ran for a political office I would continue to be honest to a fault because that is something I pride myself on being. The truth is I probably won't ever run for a political office just because of this kind of behavior.

So let us say we don't accept this kind of "shit" from candidates. And let us stay we are getting it now because we allowed it too happen in the past. What is your solution to this dilemma? How do we hold political candidates accountable for what they say? In the case of the Presidential election, both candidates have engaged in a mud slinging fight, so which one would you vote for? Neither? Then what?

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2012, 04:45:08 PM »
I right with you on your idealism. -Fact is I refuse to sacrifice my core beliefs too, even when sticking to my guns brings me some grief. I would like to think that if I ran for a political office I would continue to be honest to a fault because that is something I pride myself on being. The truth is I probably won't ever run for a political office just because of this kind of behavior.

So let us say we don't accept this kind of "shit" from candidates. And let us stay we are getting it now because we allowed it too happen in the past. What is your solution to this dilemma? How do we hold political candidates accountable for what they say? In the case of the Presidential election, both candidates have engaged in a mud slinging fight, so which one would you vote for? Neither? Then what?
It has to be a moving forward deal.

What needs to happen is that we stop letting the politicians divide us. We stop buying into the idiocy they put forward reps that are used to pit each side against each other. There is a difference between debating ideology and debating talking points.

That would allow us to talk about the issues without idiocy we see now.

Will it happen? not currently something big will have to happen to get ppl out of the mindset they are in.

Honestly this is the most divided this country has been in my memory

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Re: 'Politics of insult' alive and well despite Obama's 2008 lament
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2012, 07:44:44 PM »
It has to be a moving forward deal.

What needs to happen is that we stop letting the politicians divide us. We stop buying into the idiocy they put forward reps that are used to pit each side against each other. There is a difference between debating ideology and debating talking points.

That would allow us to talk about the issues without idiocy we see now.

Will it happen? not currently something big will have to happen to get ppl out of the mindset they are in.

Honestly this is the most divided this country has been in my memory

I completely agree with you in that the country seems so divided. Never in my long history as an American have I experienced what is going on today.

My dad used to say that the countries of the world would stop fighting each other when there was and attack on the world from another planet. At that point people would come together to fight something bigger than each other.