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Dem oversampling in polls
« on: November 08, 2012, 06:40:58 AM »
Turns out - Despite the oversampling (which pollsters assured was needed for accuracy) - Nate silver was 100% accurate in polls, down to .1% in the popular vote.

Oversampling dems was needed in polls in order to reflect actual voter preferences.

unskewedpolls.com and other sites which removed this oversampling ended up being wrong by a mile.

Can we all agree this oversampling was needed for the numbers to be accurate?

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Re: Dem oversampling in polls
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2012, 07:55:27 AM »
Turns out - Despite the oversampling (which pollsters assured was needed for accuracy) - Nate silver was 100% accurate in polls, down to .1% in the popular vote.

Oversampling dems was needed in polls in order to reflect actual voter preferences.

unskewedpolls.com and other sites which removed this oversampling ended up being wrong by a mile.

Can we all agree this oversampling was needed for the numbers to be accurate?

I guess you didn't hear that unskewedpolls.com called the election for Mitt Romney with 480 electoral votes
Repubs also gained control of the Senate too

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Re: Dem oversampling in polls
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2012, 08:49:53 AM »
Oversampling is weighting a group such that there are more of that group in your polls than in reality. It turned out that the supposed Democratic oversampling was more or less reflective of reality and therefore wasn't oversampling at all. So your claim that 'oversampling was necessary to make the polls more accurate' doesn't make sense.

The charges of oversampling were empirical claims and couldn't be verified until the results of the election were in. Now that we've got the results, we know the claims were false. That's why I laughed at everyone on here linking to sources "demonstrating" oversampling: how could anybody know for certain that a poll showed more Democratic voters than would really be the case if the election hadn't even happened yet? At best, somebody could say "there's some chance that these polls are overweighting Democrats." Instead, everybody trotted out the oversampling claim as if it was a certain fact.

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Re: Dem oversampling in polls
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 08:58:48 AM »
Republicans are oblivious to facts and evidence.  Its pathetic actually.

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Re: Dem oversampling in polls
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 02:12:45 PM »
Republicans are oblivious to facts and evidence.  Its pathetic actually.

Mcway sure is

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Re: Dem oversampling in polls
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 08:11:26 PM »
Romney campaign unskewed their internal polls





 Their chief pollster, Neil Newhouse, took his professional reputation, poured gasoline on it, and set it on fire.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/?pageNum=1&tag=page
 

As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.
 
Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.
 
Those assessments were wrong.


Result:


Romney was stoic as he talked the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.
 
"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."
 
Their emotion was visible on their faces when they walked on stage after Romney finished his remarks, which Romney had hastily composed, knowing he had to say something.
 
Both wives looked stricken, and Ryan himself seemed grim. They all were thrust on that stage without understanding what had just happened.
 
"He was shellshocked," one adviser said of Romney.

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Re: Dem oversampling in polls
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 08:20:07 PM »
Romney campaign unskewed their internal polls





 Their chief pollster, Neil Newhouse, took his professional reputation, poured gasoline on it, and set it on fire.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/?pageNum=1&tag=page
 

As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.
 
Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.
 
Those assessments were wrong.


Result:


Romney was stoic as he talked the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.
 
"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."
 
Their emotion was visible on their faces when they walked on stage after Romney finished his remarks, which Romney had hastily composed, knowing he had to say something.
 
Both wives looked stricken, and Ryan himself seemed grim. They all were thrust on that stage without understanding what had just happened.
 
"He was shellshocked," one adviser said of Romney.
Absolutely scary that a man who wanted to be President of the United States was willing to suspend reality and not go with the real facts and evidence.  Romney was in a bubble for sure using that shitty data.  The real data was out there, obtainable by anyone, but he rather delude himself.

Imagine that kind of leadership where facts don`t matter.

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Re: Dem oversampling in polls
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 08:28:55 PM »
well, it's just a little scary that he was shocked by it.   I figured he knew the reality of the situation.  Obama was the favorite.  It appears he REALLY was under the impression he had it.   Very dangerous to be that insulated, listening only to conservative sources that used flawed info. 

throughout history, those leaders that have been so so insulated are the most dangerous.  I want a prez that will step aside from his advisors, log into 538.com, and see what the ENEMY is thinking, ya know?   

obama is a lousy president, but romney wasn't ready either.  What in the world is going on with this country lately?

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Re: Dem oversampling in polls
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 06:18:30 AM »
Absolutely scary that a man who wanted to be President of the United States was willing to suspend reality and not go with the real facts and evidence.  Romney was in a bubble for sure using that shitty data.  The real data was out there, obtainable by anyone, but he rather delude himself.

Imagine that kind of leadership where facts don`t matter.

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