farrah is fucking huge, why is this? is/was he a pro that kept all the size?

[arce1988]

  Mega PED 365

[OTHstrong]

i dont think muscle go lost just because of low carbs, esp not on the doses these guys take.


coming in flat and losing muscle isnt the same thing.

exactly, coming in flat does not mean losing muscle

[OTHstrong]

thanks for reminding me i am on getbig.who ever talk about diet here will get all the heat.diet is easy and simple to follow to get to 7% body fat level below that level without losing muscle mass is not so simple mate no matter how much advance and legitimate chemicals you have access to.thats the point where you need guru even if you are in top 5 Mr olympia.u think kai green higher farah to get good source of steroids.i am sure kai knows lot more gear suppliers than farah.
Milos never could bring any of his guy even close to thier previous best not to mention health problem he and his guys have after he done with them.talking and and writing is different thing but actually knowing how to get the job done in the end is some thing beyond any book knowledge.

I never said that was his primary reason, obviously Kai can get everything himself, it is about protocols on chemicals and tying it all in not hiring someone for macro nutrients to get below 7%. all these guys where below 7% at their first show, every single one of them

[whitewidow]

Milos was fucken crazy at the beginning and yes people paid the price, including himself but eventually he was the safest one to go to cause he learned so much in regards to insulin.

See juice and even gh can be separated from dieting, there doesn't have to be a connection but with insulin, the protocols are dietary related and that's where people can fuck themselves up. I actually wish insulin wasn't part of bodybuilding but unfortunately it is.

 And yes you are right some bodybuilders complicate their diet but seriously it's abc's. My approuch is the simplest most effective and fastest way to get lean period and I can give it to anyone in 4 words. Unlimited protein, no carbs, done, contest shredded. It is that simple.

I agree! I usually eat 2 grams of protein a pound and eat very low carbs and fats and people accuse me of my diet and the 2 grams of protein per pound all bro-science but it works for me. I know cuttler used to push that high carb diet and alot of people started following that bullshit and called high protein diets and getting 2 grams per each pound you weigh just bro-science. I guess everybodyys body is diffrent but I am a heavy believer in very high protein say 400grams a day and low carb/fat diets.

[anabolichalo]

isnt it a bit crazy he still bodybuilds with one kidney?

[whitewidow]

isnt it a bit crazy he still bodybuilds with one kidney?

who?

[anabolichalo]

who?

farah

[hipolito mejia]

Perfection!

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[slate]

hipolito is it true that polumbo dreams about farah and is all consumed of envy for having no top pro clients

[Van_Bilderass]

when pros are pushing high carb diets, then they are playing around with insulin, if someone tries that without insulin he s gonna look like shit.

I don't know if insulin makes you not look like shit on high carbs. It's not like it helps keep you dryer and reduces the chance of gaining fat/makes you lose fat despite "high" carbs. Insulin does not make it easier to get in shape... you have to do more cardio, use more burners, eat less calories overall.

I remember when "blockhead" used to say pros would get fat if they didn't use insulin with "high carb" intakes. Makes zero sense to me.

Insulin or not, if someone is eating a relatively high protein diet, which all pros do pretty much, the diet will naturally be low-moderate carbs, especially close to the show.

[Van_Bilderass]

aceto knows his shit no doubt but Farah brought 5 out of the top 10 at this years Olympia. As of late he has worked with numerous pro winners and everyone that goes to him improves ten fold, he is number 1 right now, hands down. Of course he has learned from Aceto, who hasn't, Aceto has been around for along time, but now it is a knew game with heavy gh and insulin protocols in the mix and Farah is second to non, even surpassing Milos.

Who improved a lot with Farah in your opinion?

His guys seem to come in pretty tight. I don't know if anyone actually put on any muscle? From what I've heard he likes moderate, steady intake of drugs, instead of blasts or loads or whatever.
Some of the dosages I've heard are ridiculously low by getbig standards but if someone is bloated piece of shit this approach may help them get in shape finally. But on the other hand you may not transform into a freakier bb either. This is just what I've heard so if someone has personal experience please post.

[Van_Bilderass]

i know a pro who knows bit about insulin, ill ask him next time i see him in the gym.

I don't think anyone will say insulin allows you to be able to get away with more carbs, except in the sense that it will allow higher carbs intakes without going diabetic and fucking up your kidneys etc.

Insulin leads to smoother physiques. Milos/his clients could get away with it by doing crazy twice daily marathon workouts, doing twice daily cardio, keeping carbs minimal outside the insulin window, doing all the fat burners and so on.

[anabolichalo]

victor richards seemed like a slin monster

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Isn't it the massive amounts of HGH these guys are taking that allows them to get away with Cutler like carb intake of 1000 grams pre contest?

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Is Farrah still a cop?

[Van_Bilderass]

Isn't it the massive amounts of HGH these guys are taking that allows them to get away with Cutler like carb intake of 1000 grams pre contest?

Nah, no one eats 1K carbs precontest. Not even with near-lethal doses of DNP. And if they did attempt that they would feel near death constantly.

Is Farrah still a cop?

LOL what kind of POS lies about being a cop?

[Van_Bilderass]

im not sure they actualy eat that much carbs other than carb ups.

I remember when Flex Wheeler said his precontest diet was 8000 calories. Yeah sure buddy.

No one eats 1K carbs daily precontest. Maybe one day a week, but then you have to compensate by eating trace carbs the rest of the week.

How many carbs are in Farah's "high carb" diets, say on average for a heavyweight? Maybe 300 grams? Sure it's high when compared to a 250g protein intake but it's no 1 kilo carb diet, and the higher carbs are compensated for by a lower protein intake (thus lowering total calories).
This is just from hazy memory, anyone have an example Farah diet for a pro?

[Van_Bilderass]

Here's a Farah article I found. It's certainly high calories for 200lb guy IMO. Protein does go up real high at the end as carbs go down. Even if very gifted I don't know of any competitor who could get away with quite this much with so little cardio. Many would say DNP! But from what I've seen on the net I haven't seen any competitor actually say they used DNP with Farah. Anyone?

Creating A Pro

I’m going to take an example of a 200-pound guy who is planning to compete in a bodybuilding contest, or just wants to look good for the beach. How will we work on his diet and training?

• First, his daily caloric need will be based on his metabolism: fast, medium or slow. If he has a fast metabolism, then I multiply his weight by 20; medium metabolism, multiply it by 15 and slow metabolism, multiply it by 12. Suppose this guy has a fast metabolism. His daily caloric needs will be 200 x 20 = 4,000 calories/day.

• Diet will be followed six days per week, with one cheat day. The composition of his diet will be roughly high carbohydrate, moderate protein and low fat: about 50/30/20 percent, respectively. The breakdown will be 500 grams of carbs, 300 grams of protein and about 89 grams of fat.

• I will start him on a training schedule of five days per week, with legs on Monday, chest/abs on Tuesday, back on Wednesday, shoulders on Thursday and arms/calves on Friday, and ‘off’ on the weekend. He will begin by doing some moderate cardio first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, for about 20 minutes, three days per week. Cardio could be riding a stationary bike, walking on a treadmill or using an elliptical machine, keeping target heart rate around 65-70 percent.

 

Pre-Contest Game Plan

With the contest date approaching, things will start to change— counting weeks backward from the show, as follows:
16 to12 Weeks Out:

• Diet and training as outlined above.
12 to 10 Weeks Out:

• Start dropping carbs by 50-75 grams (200-300 calories), and add protein by 12-18 grams (25 percent of the total amount of carbs dropped). For our guy, we will drop 50 grams of carbs (total carbs = 450 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total protein = 412 grams).

• Keep cardio at three days/week for 20 minutes.
10 to 8 Weeks Out:

• Continue dropping 50 grams of carbs (total down to 400 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total up to 450 grams).

• Add an extra day of cardio and extra five minutes: 25 minutes 4 days/week.

• Eliminate cheat day, dieting seven days/week (you may want to consider eliminating cheat day earlier, by 12-10 weeks if your fat percentage is high).
8 to 6 Weeks Out:

• Continue dropping 50 grams of carbs (total down to 350 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total up to 462 grams).

• Keep adding an extra day of cardio and an extra five minutes: 30 minutes, five days/week.
6 to 4 Weeks Out:

• Continue dropping 50 grams of carbs (total down to 300 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total up to 475 grams).

• Keep adding an extra day of cardio and an extra five minutes: 35 minutes, six days/week.
4 to 2 Weeks Out:

• Continue dropping 50 grams of carbs (total down to 250 grams) and add 12 grams of protein (total up to 487 grams).

• Keep adding an extra day of cardio and extra five minutes: 35 minutes, seven days/week.
2 Weeks Out:

• Continue same diet

• Stop all cardio
8 Days Out:

The contest is on Saturday, so carb-depleting starts the Sunday prior to the show. Drop the carbohydrate in half until about four days before the contest. So my guy will be eating 125 grams of carbs.

4 Days Out:

• Start ‘adding the carbs back’ on the Wednesday prior to the contest. Add back all the carbs you took off: 500 grams of carbs for my guy.

• On Thursday, add 50 percent more, on top of the carbs you had on Wednesday: 500 + 200 = 700 grams of carbs.

• On Friday, you need to start watching your condition and be careful with any spillage. If you start to spill, back off the carbs and if you think you’re still flat, you need to go up on the carbs.

These are just the general principles of my formula; there are so many other adjustments that go with it depending on the progress/condition of the bodybuilder.

Good luck with your show!!

[hangclean]

You do not need to go zero carb to get shredded.  Aceto and farah both have their clients eating low-fat, moderate (depends on the individual)carb and high protein diets.  Yes, taking out carbs is a sure-fire way to get ripped, but if you can diet with carbs you will have a much better look at the end of the diet......with, or without insulin.

[Moen]

Here's a Farah article I found. It's certainly high calories for 200lb guy IMO. Protein does go up real high at the end as carbs go down. Even if very gifted I don't know of any competitor who could get away with quite this much with so little cardio. Many would say DNP! But from what I've seen on the net I haven't seen any competitor actually say they used DNP with Farah. Anyone?

His lbs *20, *15 or *12 are indeed (too) high. But these are just startup numbers, he drops calories quickly. After a month those 4000 starting kcals may be down to 3000 etc.

There's obviously no way a 200 lber would get contest ripped on 4000 kcals, even with DNP.

Lbs *20 is what many use as the max for bulking.

Edit: only read the top paragraph with the starting numbers

[Moen]

His lbs *20, *15 or *12 are indeed (too) high. But these are just startup numbers, he drops calories quickly. After a month those 4000 starting kcals may be down to 3000 etc.

There's obviously no way a 200 lber would get contest ripped on 4000 kcals, even with DNP.

Lbs *20 is what many use as the max for bulking.

That being said, it's a completely normal diet. And much better than what other diet "guru's" with their low or even no carbs let their clients do.

Edit: only read the top paragraph with the starting numbers

[Tito24]