Author Topic: English Warning "Our Gun Ban caused 40% jump in Gun Crime" DONT GIVE UP YOUR GUN  (Read 18897 times)

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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun.  and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe.  places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present.  just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.

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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun.  and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe.  places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present.  just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.

I never carry a gun (very rarely) although I can.  I know that odds are I don't need it.  

I don't like that someone can carry a gun everywhere, all the time, while your average citizen cannot.  Only because he's a peace officer.

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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun.  and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe.  places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present.  just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.

alcohol and guns dont mix.  One shoudl never carry when drinking.  When I have 2 or 3 wines, it'll be at home with the guns locked up safe, in for the night.  I have a few, watch a movie and eat, and sleep it off.  That's it.   If I choose to have a drink while out, it'll be one drink MAX.

I know people who carry and get hammered - VERY dangerous.

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I never carry a gun (very rarely) although I can.  I know that odds are I don't need it. 

I don't like that someone can carry a gun everywhere, all the time, while your average citizen cannot.  Only because he's a peace officer.
i hear you.

alcohol and guns dont mix.  One shoudl never carry when drinking.  When I have 2 or 3 wines, it'll be at home with the guns locked up safe, in for the night.  I have a few, watch a movie and eat, and sleep it off.  That's it.   If I choose to have a drink while out, it'll be one drink MAX.

I know people who carry and get hammered - VERY dangerous.
yeah i dont really care too much if my cousin is drinking, i just dont like the gun being around. period.  now if we are at a shooting range, or out hunting, or just out in the wilderness where we can shoot without giving a fuck, them im all for it and will enjoy the fuck out of blowing shit up. but when around people in social atmospheres, i see guns as completely inappropriate. at a football game, at the store, walking the town, etc, whatever. if your carrying around a gun id rather not be around you.

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Are you nervous around people that are carrying knifes, hammers, nail guns, fireworks?

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Great Conservative source there. That will bring those 6 year olds back from the dead. Good man.






And putting more controls on guns will?  Lets get this straight...even if another law passes that restricts the sale of certain firearms thats not going to do jack shit. Seung-Hui Cho used two PISTOLS and not ASSAULT STYLED RIFLES to kill 32 people in a GUN FREE ZONE.

In an ideal scenario either you would have guns completely banned and wiped out from public ownership but that is completely unconstitutional. However what the smartasses in Congress are trying to do is not going to stop future VT or CT shooters either because you can always take a PISTOL or a SHOTGUN into a GUN FREE ZONE and start blasting.


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Are you nervous around people that are carrying knifes, hammers, nail guns, fireworks?
fireworks - never.  knifes hammers and nail guns?  depends. in the kitchen or on a job site - nope.  ;D if im in a bar or walking aroudn downtown - yes.

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fireworks - never.  knifes hammers and nail guns?  depends. in the kitchen or on a job site - nope.  ;D if im in a bar or walking aroudn downtown - yes.

haha... you got me there  ;D

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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun.  and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe.  places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present.  just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.

excellent post...

theres been a lot of shite wrote about the uk and our laws, but i have no fear what so ever about being shot, only people who get shot over here are propper criminals, who'l get shot over drugs or owed moneys etc

the violent crime thats been wrote about is muggings etc,,, maybe they would use a knife or threaten with a knife or whatever, and the victim will more than likely walk away roughed up but alive and well...would this happen in the usa? would it fuck, thats why your murder rate is so high

id hate to live in a country where people could openly buy and carry guns

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Serious question: Do you guys hold the gun while you jerk off or make love to your women, it sounds like GUNS are so important to you, you talk about them like their a young beautiful women who has taken you for a lover.   Have any of you seriously thought about seeking help for what is obviously an unhealthy obsession?
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Question for all the pro gun people

Why does America go around disarming other countries of their nukes?
Nukes themselves don't kill people do they?
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Serious question: Do you guys hold the gun while you jerk off or make love to your women, it sounds like GUNS are so important to you, you talk about them like their a young beautiful women who has taken you for a lover.   Have any of you seriously thought about seeking help for what is obviously an unhealthy obsession?

"Seeking help", just dripping with irony.

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Question for all the pro gun people

Why does America go around disarming other countries of their nukes?
Nukes themselves don't kill people do they?

It depends on the circumstance. Nobody wants an armed psychopath just like nobody should want a nuclear Iran.

We aren't saying everybody should have a gun, just law abiding citizens.

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Who cares whether you agree with others that something our Constitution explicitly defines as a right isn't a right?


Very good question "avxo".

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Question for all the pro gun people

Why does America go around disarming other countries of their nukes?
Nukes themselves don't kill people do they?
What nuclear power have we "disarmed of their nukes"?


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Very good question "avxo".

first off, i genuinely understand the fierce defense of your right to bare arms, as it been part of your countries way of life and psyche for over 200 years.

but wasnt that kid who killed all those children a law abiding citizen up until that point?, as well as all the other instances that have occurred where ordinary law abiding people have gone to work or school and killed a load of there work colleagues or other school children?

so how do you genuinely judge who is able to own a firearm and who is not.
these sort of events will always happen if someone is determined but if you remove guns from your society except for police and military then they will become less frequent, so isnt it worth it? 
have any of the parents of those poor children been asked what they feel about the gun laws since this tragedy, im pretty sure i know what they would say.

so surely there comes a point when you have to say that the right of all those adults and young children who have lost their lives in these oh so common tragic events are far greater than your right to own a firearm.



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first off, i genuinely understand the fierce defense of your right to bare arms, as it been part of your countries way of life and psyche for over 200 years.

Actually, I wouldn't really call my defense fierce. Indeed, I believe that we must enact sensible regulations and believe that certain weapons should not qualify as "arms" under the 2nd Amendment (for example, I would be OK with preventing a civilian owning an M134). This puts me at odds with some who don't believe any restrictions are constitutional.



but wasnt that kid who killed all those children a law abiding citizen up until that point?, as well as all the other instances that have occurred where ordinary law abiding people have gone to work or school and killed a load of there work colleagues or other school children?

He may have been. But then again, every criminal is a law-abiding citizen until they commit a crime. Do we go around banning cocks because some use them for rape?

Also, let's not forget that mental illness might very well be involved here; we can't structure out society around the mentally ill.

so how do you genuinely judge who is able to own a firearm and who is not.

The answer is simple: I don't. I assume that everyone is able, barring evidence to the contrary. Most the time my assumption holds.


these sort of events will always happen if someone is determined but if you remove guns from your society except for police and military then they will become less frequent, so isnt it worth it?

They are already quite infrequent; so infrequent, in fact, statistically speaking it makes sense to tackle other problems, which affect more people. Like car accidents, various types of cancer, etc.

I am not opposed to some additional regulation if a rational argument in support for that regulation can be made. But I've yet to see such an argument .


have any of the parents of those poor children been asked what they feel about the gun laws since this tragedy, im pretty sure i know what they would say.

And what would it matter? Do we to asking families of victims of airplane crashes or car crashes how they feel about current plane or car design? We don't. What would such a thing achieve anyways?

The opinion of those who suffered a loss at Newtown is no more important or valid than the opinion of someone who hasn't.


so surely there comes a point when you have to say that the right of all those adults and young children who have lost their lives in these oh so common tragic events are far greater than your right to own a firearm.

Perhaps such a time will come, but it's not now. These aren't "oh so common" incidents. But don't take my word for it: look at the numbers yourself.

But if some Americans, at some point, decide that they want to scrap the 2nd Amendment they can do that through the appropriate process. They just have to convince a few others, is all.

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women feel VERY safe when they're with a responsible, armed man.

Not the thug type with a 9 in their waistband.  I'm talking about a well-trained grownup who keeps his weapon handy for when things go wrong.  When you're in bed and you hear a noise downstairs, women much prefer the man who calmly sweeps the house with his glock versus the fool who charges into the night with a golf club swinging. 

Even women who consider themselves to be anti-gun or neutral will suddenly realize how much safer they feel in lines, at night, at gas stations, knowing their date can defend them

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Serious question: Do you guys hold the gun while you jerk off or make love to your women, it sounds like GUNS are so important to you, you talk about them like their a young beautiful women who has taken you for a lover.   Have any of you seriously thought about seeking help for what is obviously an unhealthy obsession?

More projection on your part. You want gun owners to be nuts it's fits your preconceived notion of them , you're more concerned about clinging to this facade than finding out the truth.

And the irony if you saying someone has an unhealthy obsession, you have an irrational fear of weapons based on sensationalized news stories from the other side of the planet and keep spamming every post with your dribble on how we should all be like you , you're just as much as a nut as the people you're screaming about

What you're really telling us is you don't trust yourself with a gun hence why no one should own them.

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Serious question: Do you guys hold the gun while you jerk off or make love to your women, it sounds like GUNS are so important to you, you talk about them like their a young beautiful women who has taken you for a lover.   Have any of you seriously thought about seeking help for what is obviously an unhealthy obsession?

Dude, you should seriously go to a psychologist.  You clearly have some big mental issues you need to take care of.
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Do these men look scared to you?

I assume you americans realise that most of the signatories on the declaration of independance were either born in Britain or of British parents or grandparents. They were merely a group of freemasons setting up an independant outpost to grow a country without being under control of the crown.

Now if the red indians had signed the declaration of independence and won the war I could understand you being proud of beating the British.  But in reality it was transatlantic civil war, British beating the British. The English and Scottish Masons were simply setting up their own country and the whole war of independance was a sham to allow an independant country to create great wealth for a limited number of ex Brits under the guise of the brotherhood of the Freemasons instead of being under king george.

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More projection on your part. You want gun owners to be nuts it's fits your preconceived notion of them , you're more concerned about clinging to this facade than finding out the truth.

And the irony if you saying someone has an unhealthy obsession, you have an irrational fear of weapons based on sensationalized news stories from the other side of the planet and keep spamming every post with your dribble on how we should all be like you , you're just as much as a nut as the people you're screaming about

What you're really telling us is you don't trust yourself with a gun hence why no one should own them.
More projection again, I trust myself with a gun, I just see absolutely ZERO reason to have one in a modern civilised community.  Of course they can be responsibly owned, I could own a gun responsibly no worries at all, but when you find yourself in a situation when the very freedom and safety you were trying to create has been destroyed by the very thing you thought would create it (GUNS), it's time to re-evaluate, the civic experimentation failed, America couldn't pull it off, their are far too many crazies running round for their too be easy gun access.  Rather than free the people, it has enslaved them.

You know your Country has lost it's way when you are talking about turning schools into fortresses with armed guards as if it is a reasonable and rational thing to do.  From an outsiders perspective, America has become a running joke, a parody of what freedom actually is.  American Children have very little chance the whole time a powerful special Interest group has influence and continues to endanger school kids everywhere.  At least, if it all gets too much for the average American, and he tires of the regular mass shootings and the kiddies being killed, he can always go take his frustration out on a tin can somewhere with a bullet from his trusty rifle.! (because we all know, that's whats important)
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my cousin is a cop and an ex-olympics shooter (competed at the greece olympics, indoor, moving target), he carries his weapon with him everywhere. when he goes out to the bar and gets hammered, he has the gun. when he goes out fishing, he has the gun. when he goes to a nice restaurant, he has the gun. when he goes to his sisters wedding, he has the gun.  and being around him doesnt make me feel safe, even though he is armed and could knock the wings off a fly from across the room if he needed to. being around him makes me feel less safe.  places where i would normally get beligerent and act a fool , for example college football game, i am less eager to engage in confrontation knowing the gun is present.  just seems to me a real easy way to escalate things completely out of proportion.


So his gun makes you get less belligerent and act less of a fool? 

And you're against him carrying the gun?  I'm really not following you on this one...
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I assume you americans realise that most of the signatories on the declaration of independance were either born in Britain or of British parents or grandparents. They were merely a group of freemasons setting up an independant outpost to grow a country without being under control of the crown.

Now if the red indians had signed the declaration of independence and won the war I could understand you being proud of beating the British.  But in reality it was transatlantic civil war, British beating the British. The English and Scottish Masons were simply setting up their own country and the whole war of independance was a sham to allow an independant country to create great wealth for a limited number of ex Brits under the guise of the brotherhood of the Freemasons instead of being under king george.

Britain has made a huge mistake by opening its borders to muslim and eastern european scum. They will rue the day.