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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2013, 04:39:45 PM »
If you have the word "nutters" in your vocabulary and regularily use it, you' re most likely a liberal idiot, and most definitely have tasted the business end of a couple thousand penises.

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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2013, 04:40:53 PM »
What I find irrational, is the belief that it is OK for other people to pay the price for your indulgences! 

Holy shit  :o you sound  like a “life member” of the National Rifle Association (NRA)

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2013, 04:42:47 PM »
If you have the word "nutters" used to describe you regularly, you' re most likely a sociopathic homo, and most definitely have tasted the business end of a couple thousand penises.
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2013, 04:44:41 PM »
Holy shit  :o you sound  like a “life member” of the National Rifle Association (NRA)
Oh, That's right I forgot, NRA members are the REAL victims every time a child gets pumped full of bullet-holes and brutally murdered.  I hope those poor NRA people recover.  I hope they can forgive me for suggesting that children don't deserve to be murdered.
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2013, 05:11:08 PM »
What I find irrational, is the belief that it is OK for other people to pay the price for your indulgences!  Kind of like raping a woman and then expecting someone else to go to jail for it.  What you also fail to realise, is that even though the chances are slight, it WILL happen to somebody, and that somebody may be you or a loved one.  You feel safe because you believe because of the statistics, you will almost certainly not be a victim to either of these things.  You may be right, but if you add up all the different ways to get unnecessarily seriously injured or die, the odds increase ever more.  

Now this isn't about trying to prevent that which cannot be prevented, say like Earthquakes, or fires etc etc, like a lot of potentially fatal occurrences, those things are impossible to control or do something about.  But things like being killed by a gun or a pitbull or man made problems, they are easily preventable and these incidents regularly occur because minority groups have insisted on creating an environment whereby these things are inevitable.

And the quote you made about hippo fatalities, I would like to see the study that produced those numbers, I am not saying they are wrong, but people quote all types of garbage, like coconuts kill more people than pitbulls, which is bullshit.  Read below.  But even so, I can rest assuredly knowing I will not be killed by a hippo here in the suburbs, but you can bet your bottom dollar, if some animal nut got a law proposed so he could own and walk his hippo around the neighbourhood, I sure as hell would be seeking a ban on them.

And since you are all for the preservation of life, why take antibiotics to fight bacterial infections, bacterial infections kill people all the time.  Don't bacteria deserve the same protection you afford hippos, or is my argument that some life forms present too greater risk to the human species to keep around.  How many people have to be injured and killed before you think society should do something to protect people?  Serious question, What is an unacceptable number of children being brutally shot or savagely killed by a Pitbull?  

And also, Rats kill someone, once every three years.  Why is it OK do view such creatures as vermin and a threat to humanity, why is it OK to attempt to wipe these creatures from the face of the Earth, but not hippos or dangerous breeds of dog?

THE COCONUT FATALITY MYTH!
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Falling coconut deaths are often used as a comparison to shark attacks; but now Pitbull Nutters, a group who bases all their attempts on resisting BSL on myths and lies are commonly repeating the LIE. Pitbull Nutters naively believe everything told to them and expect that others will also buy their nonsense.

The claim is often made that a person is more likely to be killed by a falling coconut than by a shark (and now Pitbulls), yet such evidence as there is would suggest the number of deaths due to falling coconuts is small. This Myth originated from a U.K. travel insurance company, It was used so the insurance company would cover you for coconut damage, if you travelled with them to Papua New Guinea. Coconut palms are an integral part of life in Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, given the widespread dependence of subsistence agriculture. The Travel Insurance company cited research done by Dr. Peter Barss and his 1984 study while practising medicine in Papua New Guinea that was published in 2001 by The Journal of Trauma entitled "Injuries Due to Falling Coconuts."

But nowhere does DR Barss say that 150 people get killed by coconuts each year. He provides an anecdotal account of one such death and in a separate paper estimates that over a four-year period five deaths in his hospital's service area were related to coconut palm trees (including climbers falling out of them). Dr Barss has stated, "I am surprised that someone has come up with an actual number for such injuries. It must be a crude estimate, and you would have to ask them what methodology they used to verify whether it has any validity."

Conclusion: Somebody pulled the figure about 150 deaths per annum due to coconuts out of thin air.
1. There are already adequate laws on the books regarding dog attacks and guns.  If I shoot you for no good reason, I will go to jail.  I may even get the death penalty.  If my dogs attack you, causing you severe harm or death, I go to jail, (although I don`t quite agree with incarceration in all cases as some people do provoke animals and therefore should not be the owners fault whatsoever if it attacks and kills-its the moron for goading the animal).  So yes, you are irrational in thinking that there is not adequate punishment and you are irrational for wanting to take inane measures (complete eradication of Pitbulls) to prevent what I think is an acceptable amount of deaths.  In the United States that would be 0.000009627977608931363 Percent of the population that die from dogs or 30 out of 311,591,917 people.  So yes, you are INCREDIBLY irrational.  

2. Bacteria are not equivalent to mammals and are in a totally different Phylum.  You are making a false equivalency that makes absolutely zero sense.  I hope you are not advocating that humans try to set up a lobbying organization in order to "Save the Cancer Cells" or "Preserve AIDS".  That would be nonsensical.

3. I think the current rate at which people die by Pitbulls and other dogs is completely acceptable, rendering them statistically harmless. See my above figures.  Also, I don`t put more value on a childs life automatically just because they are children.  

4. I don`t agree with house mice, squirrels and other animals being treated as Vermin, but I do understand the concept of being specist and think that being specist is completely fine to discriminate towards other organisms as it is certainly in our DNA  and every single organism as well.  If certain animals do have a disease, such as Rats-Black Plague, measures should be taken for inoculation and quarantine of the animals for study, in order to develop a cure for these diseases.  Eradication is not feasible and does nothing to further Science along.  In fact, it only sets it backwards.

5. Start here with Hippos.  http://animal.discovery.com/tv/worlds-deadliest-towns/killer-hippos.html  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/hippos-kill-nearly-3000-people-a-year_n_1143202.html
They are incredibly dangerous.

  


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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2013, 05:32:21 PM »
Happy Birthday E - kul  8)

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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2013, 06:58:40 PM »
Happy Birthday E - kul  8)

Stalker.   :D

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2013, 07:31:17 PM »
I have to hand it to E-Kul, no matter what, he does not waiver from his opinion.
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2013, 07:45:09 PM »
I have to hand it to E-Kul, no matter what, he does not waiver from his opinion.
That is the quality you find in religious people, even when confronted with the facts, they still act upon emotion or whatever irrational belief they cling to.  They then see it as an attack on themselves as they cannot separate themselves from an opinion they hold, despite the contradicting evidence and facts.  To admit they were wrong or mistaken, means all the effort they put into that irrational belief or emotion was nothing but a waste and that they were gullible. This is too hard for them to admit as it forces them to realize they have a major flaw in their reasoning, judgement and ability to evaluate evidence/fact and apply it with consistent rational cogency.  

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2013, 07:57:07 PM »
That is the quality you find in religious people, even when confronted with the facts, they still act upon emotion or whatever irrational belief they cling to.  They then see it as an attack on themselves as they cannot separate themselves from an opinion they hold, despite the contradicting evidence and facts.  To admit they were wrong or mistaken, means all the effort they put into that irrational belief or emotion was nothing but a waste and that they were gullible. This is too hard for them to admit as it forces them to realize they have a major flaw in their reasoning, judgement and ability to evaluate evidence/fact and apply with consistent rational cogency. 

I agree, that he acts on emotion.  However, if I had been through what he's been through (pitbulls), I can't say that I wouldn't feel the same way he does.  I don't know where his dislike for guns comes from, but I think it's most likely a cultural thing.  Many Americans think guns are useful tools, and many think they serve no purpose.  Like drugs.  It just depends on how you were raised. 

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2013, 08:45:15 PM »
I have to hand it to E-Kul, no matter what, he does not waiver from his opinion.
Neither does Charles Manson or Ted Bundy. ::)
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2013, 08:59:15 PM »
CLIFF NOTES PLS - what happened to e-kul?

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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2013, 09:00:33 PM »
Neither does Charles Manson or Ted Bundy. ::)

Neither did Einstein, Roosevelt, Newton, or Churchill. Whats your point?  ::)
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2013, 10:00:22 PM »
1. There are already adequate laws on the books regarding dog attacks and guns.  If I shoot you for no good reason, I will go to jail.  I may even get the death penalty.  If my dogs attack you, causing you severe harm or death, I go to jail, (although I don`t quite agree with incarceration in all cases as some people do provoke animals and therefore should not be the owners fault whatsoever if it attacks and kills-its the moron for goading the animal).  So yes, you are irrational in thinking that there is not adequate punishment and you are irrational for wanting to take inane measures (complete eradication of Pitbulls) to prevent what I think is an acceptable amount of deaths.  In the United States that would be 0.000009627977608931363 Percent of the population that die from dogs or 30 out of 311,591,917 people.  So yes, you are INCREDIBLY irrational.  

2. Bacteria are not equivalent to mammals and are in a totally different Phylum.  You are making a false equivalency that makes absolutely zero sense.  I hope you are not advocating that humans try to set up a lobbying organization in order to "Save the Cancer Cells" or "Preserve AIDS".  That would be nonsensical.

3. I think the current rate at which people die by Pitbulls and other dogs is completely acceptable, rendering them statistically harmless. See my above figures.  Also, I don`t put more value on a childs life automatically just because they are children.  

4. I don`t agree with house mice, squirrels and other animals being treated as Vermin, but I do understand the concept of being specist and think that being specist is completely fine to discriminate towards other organisms as it is certainly in our DNA  and every single organism as well.  If certain animals do have a disease, such as Rats-Black Plague, measures should be taken for inoculation and quarantine of the animals for study, in order to develop a cure for these diseases.  Eradication is not feasible and does nothing to further Science along.  In fact, it only sets it backwards.

5. Start here with Hippos.  http://animal.discovery.com/tv/worlds-deadliest-towns/killer-hippos.html  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/hippos-kill-nearly-3000-people-a-year_n_1143202.html
They are incredibly dangerous.

  



I am glad you think their are many adequate laws dealing with serious dog attack.  The owner of the Pitbulls that attacked me, escaped with a fine of $2000, that's it.  That was about the amount of money I lost in the first week (and this owner had two priors involving the many pitbulls he owned attacking others)   Meanwhile I was unable to walk for six months, had to close my business and use my life savings to get by.  As for America, the situation is no different, if you take for example the case of  Tony Solesky, his young son was brutally attacked by a Pitbull and his sons life left hanging by a thread.   Tho owners were never jailed and then declared bankrupt when he lost the civil suit.  Leaving the Solesky Family hundreds of thousands of dollars out of pocket and with no way of recovering these costs.  As for my own case, I am still waiting for the civil suit to start after three years.

And it isn't just fatalities, it is the alarming rate of serious injuries after attacks,  I have monitored these attack stories for a couple of years, and they are daily occurrences.  Also the amount of other peoples pets that are killed is alarming.  I find it striking that you find a small amount of fatalities perfectly acceptable (of course, as long as their not your friends or family members) for something that is 100% preventable.  Their are millions of incidents with dogs every year, only a small percentage of them result in serious injury or fatality, and the majority of these are caused by the same dozen breeds of dog, with Pitbulls far and away the Number one Killer, killing more than all other breeds combined.  Dogs were created to be companion animals, And in the words of Randall Lockwood of the HSUS & ASPCA said: Shaped by dog-fight enthusiasts, they are "a perversion of everything normal dogs should do. What they've created is a canine psychopath."

I must admit, I find your outlook consistent with sociopathic behaviour, and typical of the Modern World.  Based on your reasoning that the action we take must be based on how statistically harmless it is.  I could suggest that the deaths from 9/11 were way too few to worry about, that to spend so much on terrorism, to invade other countries, to take away citizens freedoms, to spend countless billions, to kill millions of foreigners is simply overkill.  I mean after all, just as many people die by hippo each year as the amount that were killed during 911.  Why not focus all those resources on Hippo fatalities.  personally, I think that the chances of being killed during an act of terrorism is statistically harmless, so when people are killed in events like 911 it is best to ignore them.  Oh brother, what a cold world you must live in.

4,486 American soldiers died during the IRAQ war, and countless more seriously injured, all because a few thousand died in a terrorist attack.  I imagine you supported the efforts of your country during this time and thought it was worthwhile even though it was statistically harmless.
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2013, 10:14:01 PM »
That is the quality you find in religious people, even when confronted with the facts, they still act upon emotion or whatever irrational belief they cling to.  They then see it as an attack on themselves as they cannot separate themselves from an opinion they hold, despite the contradicting evidence and facts.  To admit they were wrong or mistaken, means all the effort they put into that irrational belief or emotion was nothing but a waste and that they were gullible. This is too hard for them to admit as it forces them to realize they have a major flaw in their reasoning, judgement and ability to evaluate evidence/fact and apply it with consistent rational cogency.  

You have described the NRA and many other special interest groups to a letter in a very detailed and thorough manner.  I don't think you will find a more overly emotional, irrational group than the NRA and it's supporters (Don't make me play Alex Jones Youtube clips).  For them to admit they were wrong, to even contemplate the idea would be absolute psychological death for them, they would not be able to recover.  

As for me, I am always willing to accept that I am wrong about something.  Take pitbulls for example, even the fact it needs to be argued that they present an unreasonable danger to society, is an indication of how perverse some people are.  Usually your average ten year old is aware of what a Pitbull is and what it represents.  Their are many special interest groups out their distorting the facts to support their pro pitbull agenda, but when you read facts from some of the more recent studies like "Mortality, Mauling, and Maiming by Vicious Dogs 2011" facts like these

 "Over a recent 3-year period from January 2006 to March 30, 2009, a total of 98 dog bite fatalities involving 179 dogs occurred; 60% of the deaths were caused by pit bulls, and 76% were caused by pit bulls and Rottweilers. A total of 113 pit bulls were involved in these deaths, and they accounted for 63% of the dogs involved in fatal attacks. If the risk of fatal attack is normalized to Labrador Retrievers and Labrador-mix breeds (the most common registered dog in the United States), the relative risk of death related to pit bull attacks is more than 2500 times higher.

In one 85-day period from July to September 2008, pit bulls were involved in 127 dog attacks, 57% of which occurred off the owner’s property. In these attacks, 158 people were injured, 63% of them severely; 10% of the victims suffered severed body parts; and 6 victims were killed. 12 In the same period, 128 dangerous pit bulls had to be shot to death by police officers or citizens. A closer look at these figures indicates that 1 person is killed by a pit bull every 14 days, a person loses a body part to a pit bull attack every 5.4 days, 2 persons are injured by pit bulls each day, and 1.5 pit bulls are shot to death each day."


When a breed of dog is 2500 times more likely to kill you than the most popular breed of dog, their is definitely an issue there.  This has nothing to do with emotion, these are cold hard facts, people are being seriously injured and dying all so a small minority group can bolster their poor self image with fighting breeds of dog.  It is not irrational to NOT want to be seriously injured or killed by somebody else's pet.  If anything, it is those who support these breeds and advocate on behalf of Pitbulls that are overly emotional and completely irrational.  You only need to visit any pitbull attack story, and their are many, to see the outpouring of extreme emotion and irrationality by those that worship the breed.

It must be quite the luxury to hold the beliefs you do when you have never had to pay a price for such a belief.
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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2013, 11:45:47 PM »
It angers me that the animals are killed , but the owners RESPONSIBLE walk away.  Owners of animals that harm people on the streets should be punished with assault like charges.

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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2013, 11:48:15 PM »
ekul did you still own pit bulls at the time of your attack?  Also what did you do with yours?

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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2013, 08:29:13 AM »
It made my balls shrivel too.
thank you for telling us how inflated they were in the first instance
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