What's the trade off, where do YOU stand?

[OzmO]

In the wake of the Boston Bombing we are sure to see more proposals for new laws to increase security.  

Recently on Getbig we have seen debates regarding CSI Patriot Acts, the Patriot Act, and rights taken away after 9/11.

Even though i have challenged some of these things, there is no doubt that things have changed.  

This is why i think its very important to know the reasoning behind some of these changes in the law which seem to be made as a way to better "protect" us.

The questions are:

Is the reasoning valid?

If so, is the trade off worth it?

________________________ ___________

If the reasoning not valid?

Are we just as safe or just as in danger regardless of these laws?

________________________ ___________

Some of the laws (that finally have been identified) include:

Warrantless wire tapping

National Defense Authorization Act

The one about the Government being able to have access to private employee files

I am sure there are many more, please feel free to list them and provide links if possible

________________________ ________

Where do you Stand?

What's the trade off for you?

Do you believe in less laws?

Do you believe in more laws?

Where is the line between keeping us safe and tyranny/over doing it?





Note:  This thread will be moderated in such that repeatedly and purposefully avoiding questions, repeatedly answering questions with questions, defecting and dodging may results in a post's removal.

[doison]

Universal solitary confinement. 

We all get placed in our own personal cells where no one else can harm us.  The government will keep a heavy guard presence amongst the cells to make sure we aren't able to harm ourselves either. 




It's the only way to guarantee our safety and I don't see how you can argue against that anymore.

[loco]

A guy from Switzerland told me "You can't take a dump in Switzerland without a security camera pointed at you."  Is that where the USA is headed?  Hope not.   

[Soul Crusher]

Maybe is the obama admn did its fucking job and took the warning from Russia seriously in 2011 we would not have to answer this question.

FORWARD!!!!!!

[Dos Equis]

Good questions.  There has to be some give and take.  I think someone should ask the residents of Boston what they think about this.  Seems like a lot of them were happy that law enforcement was all over this, despite how oppressive it became. 

Boston celebrates, seeks return to normal

Watertown, Massachusetts (CNN) -- First there was a burst of gunfire. Then a series of blasts. Then, less than an hour later, cheers.

After a day-long massive manhunt for one Boston Marathon bombing suspect that terrorized several cities and riveted a nation, the shouting and applause on the streets of Watertown, Massachusetts, was a welcome sign of victory.

Police shouted, "Yay!" Neighbors clapped.

Residents and reporters who had been anxiously waiting on a nearby corner saw a concrete sign of progress.

When someone asked whether they have the suspect in custody, a police officer said, "Yes" -- and the crowd of residents erupted in cheers again.

Minutes later, a series of Twitter posts from the Boston Police Department trumpeted the news.

"CAPTURED!!!" one post said. "The hunt is over. The search is done. The terror is over. And justice has won. Suspect in custody."

In Watertown, it wasn't long before SWAT teams shouted over a loudspeaker: "Thank you, thank you! It was a pleasure! USA! USA!"

The crowd joined in.

Watertown resident Mary Sullivan was among those cheering.

She was walking her young black Labrador, Lucy, when gunshots rang out in her neighborhood on Friday.

She waited for word on the fate of the suspect at the corner of Franklin and Mount Auburn with dozens of other residents.

"I'm glad it's over," she said. "The city and the people have gone through so much pain over these irrational decisions of these young men."

Jubilant crowds celebrated beyond Watertown's borders.

Residents, once holed up in houses and apartment buildings across the Boston area, poured out onto downtown streets. Music blared as revelers brandished American flags across the city.

. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/boston-bombings-capture-scene/index.html

[blacken700]

Maybe is the obama admn did its fucking job and took the warning from Russia seriously in 2011 we would not have to answer this question.

FORWARD!!!!!!

you have to be the dumbest fucking lawyer on earth,the fbi questioned him in 2011 and found nothing at the time,as far as i know obama didn't oversee it         the stupid party

[OzmO]

Good questions.  There has to be some give and take.  I think someone should ask the residents of Boston what they think about this.  Seems like a lot of them were happy that law enforcement was all over this, despite how oppressive it became. 

Boston celebrates, seeks return to normal

Watertown, Massachusetts (CNN) -- First there was a burst of gunfire. Then a series of blasts. Then, less than an hour later, cheers.

After a day-long massive manhunt for one Boston Marathon bombing suspect that terrorized several cities and riveted a nation, the shouting and applause on the streets of Watertown, Massachusetts, was a welcome sign of victory.

Police shouted, "Yay!" Neighbors clapped.

Residents and reporters who had been anxiously waiting on a nearby corner saw a concrete sign of progress.

When someone asked whether they have the suspect in custody, a police officer said, "Yes" -- and the crowd of residents erupted in cheers again.

Minutes later, a series of Twitter posts from the Boston Police Department trumpeted the news.

"CAPTURED!!!" one post said. "The hunt is over. The search is done. The terror is over. And justice has won. Suspect in custody."

In Watertown, it wasn't long before SWAT teams shouted over a loudspeaker: "Thank you, thank you! It was a pleasure! USA! USA!"

The crowd joined in.

Watertown resident Mary Sullivan was among those cheering.

She was walking her young black Labrador, Lucy, when gunshots rang out in her neighborhood on Friday.

She waited for word on the fate of the suspect at the corner of Franklin and Mount Auburn with dozens of other residents.

"I'm glad it's over," she said. "The city and the people have gone through so much pain over these irrational decisions of these young men."

Jubilant crowds celebrated beyond Watertown's borders.

Residents, once holed up in houses and apartment buildings across the Boston area, poured out onto downtown streets. Music blared as revelers brandished American flags across the city.

. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/boston-bombings-capture-scene/index.html

that's the thing.....

So they don't go over board like that and the guy escapes and ends up in Mexico.

then what?

Or how about they don't over board and he ends up completing some second stage and bombs something else?

I am waiting for the "we are a police state and were losing our rights which are leading to our demise" to chime in on this.

Where do we draw the line?

[240 is Back]

People in Boston will probably vote to raise taxes to pay for taxes and increased military presence in their own city.

They probably won't vote for a gun ban however lol... Everyone with a gun in that city was clued to it for that week.  And everyone without one was pissing their pants wishing they had one.

[Skip8282]

that's the thing.....

So they don't go over board like that and the guy escapes and ends up in Mexico.

then what?

Or how about they don't over board and he ends up completing some second stage and bombs something else?

I am waiting for the "we are a police state and were losing our rights which are leading to our demise" to chime in on this.

Where do we draw the line?

I think my line would be the Constitution.  They can take action, but they don't get to suspend Constitutional rights.

[Soul Crusher]

you have to be the dumbest fucking lawyer on earth,the fbi questioned him in 2011 and found nothing at the time,as far as i know obama didn't oversee it         the stupid party

And that is now obvious a FAIL on their part correct?

[JBGRAY]

More laws, more oversight, more protection.  Our government merely reflects the will of the people, and ultimately, society. I personally favor it because I am on the right side of it.

People NEED Authority.  They want MORE of it. Look at the layers of control in our society:

- HOAs.....tell us what plants we can plant, what authorized colors to paint our house with, where and how to park, proper garbage bins, can we have a fence or not, what type of dog I can own, etc.

- Family.....tradition, culture. Many still answerable to parents even as adults.  Too many unable or unwilling to leave the proverbial bird's nest.

- City Gov....Code enforcement on top of HOAs, military-equipped local law enforcement, city taxes, city ordinances, etc...

- County Gov...Property taxes, assessments, have their own law enforcement agency with military-grade hardware, bureucracies of their own.

- State Gov...the Courts, state LE agencies, state constitution, income taxes, sales tax, etc...

- the Feds...More of the same, but on a multi-national level.

- Religion....some moreso than others, but most do abide by some moral ethics code dictated by a religion.....marriage, morals, praying, Grace, the sign of the cross, our currency, etc..

Control, Control, Control.......More people than not are deathly afraid of freedom, much less deserve it. People as a whole need somone, anyone, whether its God, Jesus, Allah, Muhammed, the President, a King, the Illuminati, to tell them what to do and how to live.