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Hugo Chavez

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Watch this shit...
« on: April 21, 2013, 02:26:59 PM »
Not quite as friendly as the other martial law "Shelter in Place" home invasions we watched the other day....



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Re: Watch this shit...
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2013, 03:53:58 PM »
Sorry but if you're  law abiding citizen you should have a major issue with this.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2013, 04:03:23 PM »
Sorry but if you're  law abiding citizen you should have a major issue with this.
totally agree.

"Freedom isn't free" is a burden all Americans or anyone in a free society has to bear.  Freedom comes with a risk but it's worth it.  I highly question the changes we're seeing happen in both our government and society now.

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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2013, 04:08:36 PM »
does anybody have the story behind this video,or are you saying this is how they searched every house

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2013, 04:13:36 PM »
Patriot Act
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2013, 04:14:20 PM »
does anybody have the story behind this video,or are you saying this is how they searched every house

That's how they searched THAT house.  The story behind it has been on the news lately.  Two guys were on the loose in Boston after bombings at the marathon.  

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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2013, 04:16:05 PM »
That's how they searched THAT house.  The story behind it has been on the news lately.  Two guys were on the loose in Boston after bombings at the marathon.  



bullshit, there is a story behind this

Hugo Chavez

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2013, 04:20:06 PM »
does anybody have the story behind this video,or are you saying this is how they searched every house
No back story on that, just someone filming from across the street as it happened.  I will note the difference between this video and the videos released which we saw right away is this is an amateur vid through a window while the other more friendly videos were actually taken with permission on the street among the police. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2013, 04:22:39 PM »
That's how they searched THAT house.  The story behind it has been on the news lately.  Two guys were on the loose in Boston after bombings at the marathon.  


Do you have a link to the story behind "that house?"  Maybe we can get to a reason on the more aggressive search of this home?

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2013, 05:43:49 PM »
I would love to know the excuse that they will make for this.  Was there a warrant or was this just another example of national security shitting on the constitution.    

The Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 12:12:43 AM »
Do you have a link to the story behind "that house?"  Maybe we can get to a reason on the more aggressive search of this home?
well I guess doison didn't show up with a reply... If anyone else has the whole story, please post it.

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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 05:08:24 PM »
I don't know about the above, but no way I buy that they hushed a whole town.  If the searches were not voluntary, wouldn't we be seeing A LOT more examples?  Hearing A LOT more complaints?

Might be wrong, but I'm having a hard time buying into it.

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 05:12:31 PM »
I don't know about the above, but no way I buy that they hushed a whole town.  If the searches were not voluntary, wouldn't we be seeing A LOT more examples?  Hearing A LOT more complaints?

Might be wrong, but I'm having a hard time buying into it.

I think a lot of people were so scared, they just went along with it.  "I might be getting manhandled by the dozen army guys, but at least the kid bleeding in a boat isn't getting me..."

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Re: Watch this shit...
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2013, 01:29:47 AM »
Sorry but if you're  law abiding citizen you should have a major issue with this.

HH6,

Is this how the house to house searches were conducted in Iraq (minus the kicked in doors of course)?

(BTW: Not picking on you, it's just you were the only one over there with actual knowledge of what took place)

Also too...

What happened to "Sorry, but if you're a law abiding citizen, you should NOT have a major issue with this,
...because you have nothing to hide?"   ;D
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2013, 05:04:55 PM »
‘Boston Strong’: Marching in Lockstep with the Police State

 By John W. Whitehead
April 22, 2013


“Of all the tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”—C.S. Lewis

Caught up in the televised drama of a military-style manhunt for the suspects in the Boston Marathon explosion, most Americans fail to realize that the world around them has been suddenly and jarringly shifted off its axis, that axis being the U.S. Constitution.

For those like myself who have studied emerging police states, the sight of a city placed under martial law—its citizens under house arrest (officials used the Orwellian phrase “shelter in place” to describe the mandatory lockdown), military-style helicopters equipped with thermal imaging devices buzzing the skies, tanks and armored vehicles on the streets, and snipers perched on rooftops, while thousands of black-garbed police swarmed the streets and SWAT teams carried out house-to-house searches in search of two young and seemingly unlikely bombing suspects—leaves us in a growing state of unease.

Mind you, these are no longer warning signs of a steadily encroaching police state. The police state has arrived.

Equally unnerving is the ease with which Americans welcomed the city-wide lockdown, the routine invasion of their privacy, and the dismantling of every constitutional right intended to serve as a bulwark against government abuses. Watching it unfold, I couldn’t help but think of Nazi Field Marshal Hermann Goering’s remarks during the Nuremberg trials. As Goering noted:

It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

As the events in Boston have made clear, it does indeed work the same in every country. The same propaganda and police state tactics that worked for Adolf Hitler 80 years ago continue to be employed with great success in a post-9/11 America.

Whatever the threat to so-called security—whether it’s rumored weapons of mass destruction, school shootings, or alleged acts of terrorism—it doesn’t take much for the American people to march in lockstep with the government’s dictates, even if it means submitting to martial law, having their homes searched, and being stripped of one’s constitutional rights at a moment’s notice.

As journalist Andrew O’Hehir observes in Salon:

In America after 9/11, we made a deal with the devil, or with Dick Cheney, which is much the same thing. We agreed to give up most of our enumerated rights and civil liberties (except for the sacrosanct Second Amendment, of course) in exchange for a lot of hyper-patriotic tough talk, the promise of “security” and the freedom to go on sitting on our asses and consuming whatever the hell we wanted to. Don’t look the other way and tell me that you signed a petition or voted for John Kerry or whatever. The fact is that whatever dignified private opinions you and I may hold, we did not do enough to stop it, and our constitutional rights are now deemed to be partial or provisional rather than absolute, do not necessarily apply to everyone, and can be revoked by the government at any time.

Particularly disheartening is the fact that Americans, consumed with the need for vengeance, seem even less concerned about protecting the rights of others, especially if those “others” happen to be of a different skin color or nationality. The public response to the manhunt, capture and subsequent treatment of brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is merely the latest example of America’s xenophobic mindset, which was also a driving force behind the roundup and detention of hundreds of Arab, South Asian and Muslim men following 9/11, internment camps that housed more than 18,000 people of Japanese ancestry during World War II, and the arrest and deportation of thousands of “radical” noncitizens during America’s first Red Scare.

Moreover, there has been little outcry over the Obama administration’s decision to deny 19-year-old U.S. citizen Dzhokhar Tsarnaev his due process rights and treat him as an enemy combatant, first off by interrogating him without reading him his Miranda rights (“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law...”).

Presently, under the public safety exception to the Miranda rule, if law enforcement agents believe a suspect has information that might reduce a substantial threat, they can wait to give the Miranda warning. For years now, however, the Obama administration has been lobbying to see this exception extended to all cases involving so-called terror suspects, including American citizens. Tsarnaev’s case may prove to be the game-changer. Yet as journalist Emily Bazelon points out for Slate: “Why should I care that no one’s reading Dzhokhar Tsarnaev his Miranda rights? When the law gets bent out of shape for him, it’s easier to bend out of shape for the rest of us.”

The U.S. Supreme Court rightly recognized in its 1966 ruling in Miranda v. Arizona that police officers must advise a suspect of his/her civil rights once the suspect has been taken into custody, because the police can and often do take advantage of the fact that most Americans don’t know their rights. There have been few exceptions to the Miranda rule over the last 40 years or so, and with good reason. However, if the Obama administration is allowed to scale back the Miranda rule, especially as it applies to U.S. citizens, it would be yet another dangerous expansion of government power at the expense of citizens’ civil rights.

This continual undermining of the rules that protect civil liberties, not to mention the incessant rush to judgment by politicians, members of the media and the public, will inevitably have far-reaching consequences on a populace that not only remains ignorant about their rights but is inclined to sacrifice their liberties for phantom promises of safety.

Moments after taking Tsarnaev into custody, the Boston Police Dept. tweeted “CAPTURED!!! The hunt is over. The search is done. The terror is over. And justice has won.” Yet with Tsarnaev and his brother having been charged, tried and convicted by the government, the media and the police—all without ever having stepped foot inside a courtroom—it remains to be seen whether justice has indeed won.

cont... https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/boston_strong_marching_in_lockstep_with_the_police_state



















Video showing more aggressive searches as requested above:

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