if anyone can take one thing from this thread and this title, before i say it, just let me say, remember when arnold stopped using his ped, and how bad he looked, but remember how good he looked in terminator 3, yes aided by production, but if anyone can take anything and a true factual lesson from this, is that how important anabolics and hormones are to the human male species, the elite do not want people to know the true medical miracles of testosterone, the elite poison our food, gas, and air we breathe, which in turn kills our testosterone, now with the aid of replenishing our testosterone through hrt or above hrt doses we can prosper and live the correct way health wise..............the facts are anabolics are the agents that give us the things the elite dont want us to know.............arnold is living proof of the health benefits of aas, every man should know.