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Eyeball Chambers

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2013, 05:23:01 PM »
Right, and? We're required to cater to them by providing jobs to them? Especially when those jobs can be performed by others for less money?


No, but we shouldn't deny these people employment through high taxes and overregulation...
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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2013, 05:25:58 PM »
OK, boss. I'm sure u live in some fly-over state, live in a $500K house with a pool, and think you're one of the ones who made it.
LOL yea I live in Houston, Tx I dont have a $500K house or a pool...I dont begrudge anyone who does either.

I also have the ability to lay down at night and know I will be just fine no matter what happens b/c I have positioned myself through my own doings to place where I have that ability. Keep telling yourself the reason you arent successful is because other people are keeping you down, see how that works out for you...lmfao

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2013, 05:26:57 PM »
Right, and? We're required to cater to them by providing jobs to them? Especially when those jobs can be performed by others for less money?
have you not been reading cholo's posts?

thats exactly what that moron feels

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2013, 05:31:31 PM »
No, but we shouldn't deny these people employment through high taxes and overregulation...

I don't disagree that we have extremely high taxes and way too many regulations. But do you genuinely believe that high taxes and overregulation are why t-shirts and jeans are not made in the U.S. but in countries where workers are paid less than a dollar a month?

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2013, 05:36:43 PM »
I don't disagree that we have extremely high taxes and way too many regulations. But do you genuinely believe that high taxes and overregulation are why t-shirts and jeans are not made in the U.S. but in countries where workers are paid less than a dollar a month?

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2013, 05:42:34 PM »
I actually meant that a $500K house was shit not that u would begrudge anyone for having one.

Now I feel bad b/c I see that I've been bullying a complete hillbilly peasant. Sorry.
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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2013, 05:43:07 PM »
yes

That's insane and completely unrealistic. Of course, I didn't really expect sanity or realism from you, but it's good to see you confirm just how completely out of touch with reality you are.

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2013, 06:03:06 PM »
That's insane and completely unrealistic. Of course, I didn't really expect sanity or realism from you, but it's good to see you confirm just how completely out of touch with reality you are.

The labor component is only one small part of why people don't make things here any longer

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2013, 06:04:03 PM »
I don't disagree that we have extremely high taxes and way too many regulations. But do you genuinely believe that high taxes and overregulation are why t-shirts and jeans are not made in the U.S. but in countries where workers are paid less than a dollar a month?
alot of things go into the cause but the plain and simple fact is businesses send jobs/manufacturing overseas b/c its cheaper. Do the taxes and regs imposed on them by our govt increase the costs here? absolutely...do the lack of regulations and taxes overseas contribute to that? absolutely.

The US govt doesnt seem concerned at all with making our businesses more competetive globally.

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2013, 06:16:44 PM »
The US govt doesnt seem concerned at all with making our businesses more competetive globally.

That's because those that really run things in the United States also run things globally.   :-X

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2013, 07:03:56 AM »
alot of things go into the cause but the plain and simple fact is businesses send jobs/manufacturing overseas b/c its cheaper. Do the taxes and regs imposed on them by our govt increase the costs here? absolutely...do the lack of regulations and taxes overseas contribute to that? absolutely.

The US govt doesnt seem concerned at all with making our businesses more competetive globally.

I don't disagree with any of that in principle. But do you honestly believe that in the absence of taxes and regulation, companies would be making jeans here when they can continue making them for eighty or ninety cents a pair in, say, Bangladesh where a worker is paid just over a dollar a day? (Reference) And there are cheaper places still... Bangladesh isn't the cheapest source of labor.

No. The simple fact is that while can and should do more to make the United States attractive to businesses, the kind of businesses we should be focused on attracting are in the fields of engineering, computers, biotechechnology, aerospace, etc. -in other words, everything that falls under the "high-tech" moniker. And in those jobs, we are still at the forefront, even if our lead has been cut back substantially.

Will we always have a need for unskilled labor? Yes, someone will always need to shuffle food around on a tray, or stock up the shelves at Walmart or what have you, but those jobs are just a necessary evil if you will; not the kind we want to attract back to the United States.

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Re: Dem owned and operated
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2013, 07:17:22 AM »
I don't disagree with any of that in principle. But do you honestly believe that in the absence of taxes and regulation, companies would be making jeans here when they can continue making them for eighty or ninety cents a pair in, say, Bangladesh where a worker is paid just over a dollar a day? (Reference) And there are cheaper places still... Bangladesh isn't the cheapest source of labor.

No. The simple fact is that while can and should do more to make the United States attractive to businesses, the kind of businesses we should be focused on attracting are in the fields of engineering, computers, biotechechnology, aerospace, etc. -in other words, everything that falls under the "high-tech" moniker. And in those jobs, we are still at the forefront, even if our lead has been cut back substantially.

Will we always have a need for unskilled labor? Yes, someone will always need to shuffle food around on a tray, or stock up the shelves at Walmart or what have you, but those jobs are just a necessary evil if you will; not the kind we want to attract back to the United States.

I agree with you.  It was believed by globalization advocates that as manufacturing jobs moved abroad that skilled and service jobs would take their place.  Unfortunately what has happened is that many of these jobs such as those in high tech fields are increasingly being outsourced abroad as well, because just like manufacturing, it's cheaper to outsource than to hire someone within the United States.   I understand its more complicated than I am making it and that there are a plethora of factors at play that I have not mentioned.
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