Question about God

[avxo]

1. Don't tell me how to answer questions when you ask me for an answer.

I'll tell you when your answer is logically inconsistent, as it was in this case.

2. We are being "tested" because of the original sin. (Adam and Eve). And the wages of sin is death. Jesus was put here to pay for the sins of humans. He is the only human (if you can call him fully human) to never have sinned. He is the son of God. God sacrificed his only son so that way not burn in hell for all the sins human commit. BUT, you must believe that he is the son of God and accept him as your Lord and Savior.

Why do we need to be tested at all? It's not for God's benefit - since he knows what the end result of the "test" will be. And it's not for our benefit, since regardless of what the "test" will be, our fate is sealed.

As for Original Sin, leave it up to the God of love and mercy to punish and hold generation after generation of people accountable for something two people did thousands of years ago. That's very loving and very merciful.

I won't even get into the fact that the concept of Original sin is a sham. A sin cannot happen without volition, and birth isn't something we choose. It's something that happens - no different than the sun rising.

3. I knew you'd say what you'd say in your last sentence which is why I explained it before.  It is still free will. Since God is all knowing, it means exactly that, he's all knowing. He created everything. Obviously he's going to know the answer to everything, even before it happens. He is the Alpha and the Omega. That doesn't take away that you still have free will that he happens to know the answer to.

You can call it free will if you want, but that doesn't make it free will. If it's free will, you must be the one who decides and the outcome of your actions cannot be already fixed. A bit of friendly advice: Don't even bother trying to make this argument. People a lot smarter than you have tried, and failed. It's not even an argument, really.

[avxo]

It's called an illogical question. For example, would God be able to make a square circle? 

So your God is bound by logic?

[avxo]

Ridicule this: God does not wish anyone to go to hell.

If that was truly the case, he'd just say: "Nobody goes to hell!"

He loves the humans he created. He loves them (us, you) all more than any human can possibly understand.

And yet, he has created some of us knowing we won't go to heaven, but will go to hell to suffer for all eternity.

For those of you that are ridiculing Him and slandering his name, he still loves you.

If he loves me, why won't he reveal himself to me in unequivocal terms, so that I may believe and be saved? He knows what it would take, and yet, he doesn't do it. He knows that I'm doomed to never believe and go to hell. And yet, despite all his love, he's not doing anything to save me. Why?

One day, when you are not so *self-reliant" you will turn to Him.

Whether you choose to believe in Him or not, that is about free will. There could be no other way.

Sure there could. He could make it so that we don't need to have faith in an undefined, unknowable being. He could make it so that logic could lead us to him, so that we could use the reason and intellect with which he endowed us. But he doesn't. Why?

God sent one man, His only Son to take on the sin of the world. God had to leave His Son for this period of time because God cannot abide sin.

He's omnipotent. He could wipe sin away from the face of creation with a snap of his proverbial fingers. And don't forget, he sent his only son (i.e. himself) to take on the sin of the world (i.e. die) to satisfy a rule that he made. He sacrificed himself to himself for a rule he made. And that's the nonsense you believe?

But I do have a question... why can't God - an omnipotent being - abide by sin?

He did it because He loves you. Unconditionally.

If he loved me unconditionally, he wouldn't make me jump through hoops. He'd say "Oh, avxo. You've been a bad, bad child. And you don't deserve heaven, but my love is so great that I will give you heaven anyways." Except he doesn't. He says: "BELIEVE! OR ELSE!"

[avxo]

Well said

Good contribution there Coach!

[Z Father]

I'm figuring there are admin positions open in Hell. I always tend to get "inside" professionally. Should be no problem.

[arce1988]

 

[Devon97]

I'll tell you when your answer is logically inconsistent, as it was in this case.


Why do we need to be tested at all? It's not for God's benefit - since he knows what the end result of the "test" will be. And it's not for our benefit, since regardless of what the "test" will be, our fate is sealed.

As for Original Sin, leave it up to the God of love and mercy to punish and hold generation after generation of people accountable for something two people did thousands of years ago. That's very loving and very merciful.

I won't even get into the fact that the concept of Original sin is a sham. A sin cannot happen without volition, and birth isn't something we choose. It's something that happens - no different than the sun rising.


You can call it free will if you want, but that doesn't make it free will. If it's free will, you must be the one who decides and the outcome of your actions cannot be already fixed. A bit of friendly advice: Don't even bother trying to make this argument. People a lot smarter than you have tried, and failed. It's not even an argument, really.

Oh brother, another petulant heathen pagan ready to battle lol

[avxo]

Oh brother, another petulant heathen pagan ready to battle lol

Battle? Hardly troll.

[Borracho]

I wonder if god is prone to estrogenic sides 

[Borracho]

lol @ the opportunistic vulture

[Skeletor]

The dude who took this pic, and won a Pulitzer prize for it, killed himself three months later.

One year and three months, pic was taken March of 1993, Carter committed suicide on July 1994.

[bigmc]

I'm sorry you feel this way. That's too bad. Hopefully you'll realize you are wrong before it's too late.

too late for what

if god is all forgiving then my beliefs dont matter

[The_Punisher]

Damn, so many Religious Nutz and fanatics in this Thread..

[Man of Steel]

I still haven't seen arce's question.

[Quickerblade]

i believe in God, catholic and proud.