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Asian War ?
« on: October 27, 2013, 02:30:51 AM »
Wall Street Journal today: Japan's PM has balls telling that Japan is ready to counter China.With assistance of Taiwan,Tibetans,Uyghurs (those guy's hate China to the max),Mongols (massive land dispute),+Vietnam,South Korea.
Australia is in military pact with Japan who is also major non Nato buddy.
India because of Tibet will get involved, USA because of Taiwan must step in too.
China will be totally fucked up & ended as much smaller country.
In November Sea & Air war game in Japan will take of.
Welcome to the 1st Asian war.


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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2013, 03:37:49 AM »
That kind of reminds me of the run up to WWI...  :o

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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2013, 07:33:23 AM »
Oh nooeeessss... who will build our cheap shit if China gets shitted on?

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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 07:36:46 AM »
Oh nooeeessss... who will build our cheap shit if China gets shitted on?

Other Asian nations, India etc. Hell, even the good ole' USA could see some come back.

Japan has been rearming in a sense plus they are on order for the F-35, same with Australia and other Asian nations. That's some "containment" if I've ever seen it. But, at this point I don't think the Chinese military is even capable of a prolonged engagement anywhere and certainly not capable of any invasion of Taiwan.

Interesting years going forward in that part of the globe.

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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2013, 08:27:02 AM »
To GX's point...read this. It details the problems everybody, including our allies, have with building and using aircraft carriers. Its not enough to have the ship, you have to have the ships to support them and the doctrine. We've been doing it for over 60 years. Its very hard to do overnight. I find it amazing that as advanced as the soviets were, the Chinese are in some area's, neither could master carrier warfare.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/f3f52d299588

Imposing, flexible, able to sail fast and launch devastating air strikes at long range, aircraft carriers are the ultimate expression of national power. And many of the world’s best-armed countries are acquiring them. China, Russia, India, Brazil, the U.K., France, America.

But just getting your hands on a flattop is hardly enough. For every example of a country that succeeds in deploying a functional carrier and matching air wing, there’s a counter-example: a flattop hobbled by mechanical problems, stricken by age, sidelined by bad design or stuck with warplanes that simply don’t work.

What follows are not the success stories. They are the case studies in flattop failure … and object lessons for all the countries building aircraft carriers today.
Admiral Kuznetsov being monitored by a British warship. Royal Navy photo
Mother Russia’s tugboat bait

The Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia’s only aircraft carrier, was launched in 1985 and joined the fleet in 1991. Since then the 55,000-ton, fossil-fuel-powered flattop has managed just four frontline deployments—all of them to the Mediterranean, and all of them just a few months in duration.

By contrast, American flattops typically deploy for at least six months every two years. The nuclear-powered USS Enterprise, commissioned in 1962, completed 25 deployments before leaving service in 2012.

One of Admiral Kuznetsov’s major problems is her powerplant. The vessel is powered by steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers that Defense Industry Daily generously described as “defective.” Anticipating breakdowns, large ocean-going tugs accompany Admiral Kuznetsov whenever she deploys.

Poor maintenance makes life difficult and dangerous for Admiral Kuznetsov’s 1,900 sailors. A short circuit started a fire off Turkey in 2009 that killed one seaman.

Her pipes are bad. “When it’s this cold, water freezes everywhere including pipes which may cause a rupture,” English Russia reported. “To prevent this, they just don’t supply almost 60 percent of the cabins with water (neither in winter nor in summer). The situation with latrines is just as bad. The ship has over 50 latrines but half of them are closed.”
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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2013, 12:47:05 PM »
Interesting thread.  Anybody got the WSJ link?

Teutonic Knight

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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 01:53:44 PM »
Philippines too told China to piss off from those rocky islands.
New U.S. military base near Darwin (Northern Territory,Australia) & return of American boys to Philippines  ;)
We will see anti Japan (orchestrated) demonstrations in China this week.




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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2013, 06:56:17 PM »
To GX's point...read this. It details the problems everybody, including our allies, have with building and using aircraft carriers. Its not enough to have the ship, you have to have the ships to support them and the doctrine. We've been doing it for over 60 years. Its very hard to do overnight. I find it amazing that as advanced as the soviets were, the Chinese are in some area's, neither could master carrier warfare.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/f3f52d299588

Imposing, flexible, able to sail fast and launch devastating air strikes at long range, aircraft carriers are the ultimate expression of national power. And many of the world’s best-armed countries are acquiring them. China, Russia, India, Brazil, the U.K., France, America.

But just getting your hands on a flattop is hardly enough. For every example of a country that succeeds in deploying a functional carrier and matching air wing, there’s a counter-example: a flattop hobbled by mechanical problems, stricken by age, sidelined by bad design or stuck with warplanes that simply don’t work.

What follows are not the success stories. They are the case studies in flattop failure … and object lessons for all the countries building aircraft carriers today.
Admiral Kuznetsov being monitored by a British warship. Royal Navy photo
Mother Russia’s tugboat bait

The Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia’s only aircraft carrier, was launched in 1985 and joined the fleet in 1991. Since then the 55,000-ton, fossil-fuel-powered flattop has managed just four frontline deployments—all of them to the Mediterranean, and all of them just a few months in duration.

By contrast, American flattops typically deploy for at least six months every two years. The nuclear-powered USS Enterprise, commissioned in 1962, completed 25 deployments before leaving service in 2012.

One of Admiral Kuznetsov’s major problems is her powerplant. The vessel is powered by steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers that Defense Industry Daily generously described as “defective.” Anticipating breakdowns, large ocean-going tugs accompany Admiral Kuznetsov whenever she deploys.

Poor maintenance makes life difficult and dangerous for Admiral Kuznetsov’s 1,900 sailors. A short circuit started a fire off Turkey in 2009 that killed one seaman.

Her pipes are bad. “When it’s this cold, water freezes everywhere including pipes which may cause a rupture,” English Russia reported. “To prevent this, they just don’t supply almost 60 percent of the cabins with water (neither in winter nor in summer). The situation with latrines is just as bad. The ship has over 50 latrines but half of them are closed.”


"How do you sink a Chinese aircraft carrier?"

"Put it in water..."
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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2013, 07:03:22 PM »
Plus..unless they plan to deploy the dam thing well away from China, the south china sea is a tight area to run an aircraft carrier around in. Subs are cheaper
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Re: Asian War ?
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2013, 07:28:31 PM »
So many mega rich Chinese bought properties in Australia & they'll take of from China if shit starts.