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Re: Craze PWO
« Reply #100 on: October 15, 2013, 03:05:13 PM »
Interesting....their huma-pro is some fascinating protein

What's fascinating about it? It's a simple EAA mix, with some BULLSHIT advertising. Probably the worst lies ever seen in supplement ads.  :D

If I were in the US I would buy all the different EAA's separately and mix my own. Fuck buying some "proprietary blend" bullshit from a product spiker who sold steroids to kids who thought they were buying herbal extracts. What a scumbag.

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Re: Craze PWO
« Reply #101 on: October 15, 2013, 04:01:20 PM »
What's fascinating about it? It's a simple EAA mix, with some BULLSHIT advertising. Probably the worst lies ever seen in supplement ads.  :D

If I were in the US I would buy all the different EAA's separately and mix my own. Fuck buying some "proprietary blend" bullshit from a product spiker who sold steroids to kids who thought they were buying herbal extracts. What a scumbag.

Wow seriously?? That's all there is to it??

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Re: Craze PWO
« Reply #102 on: October 15, 2013, 04:59:43 PM »
Wow seriously?? That's all there is to it??

Look at the label. A mix of aminos, B vitamins, minerals and a couple of herbal extracts. Reading the ads you'd think it was some magic, never before seen type of protein. There is NOTHING new or special here, nothing.



BTW, someone professionalmuscle, a guy I consider the most knowledgeable on the whole forum by far ("Rex Feral"), says the formula is a clone of "MAP" (Master Amino Pattern).

http://www.masteraminoacidpattern.com/product/index.php
http://www.institut-o.com/a-comparative-study-on-map-luca-moretti-1988.html

Here is the ratio

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Table V. Amino Acid Formula of the Master Amino Acid Pattern (g)

L-Isoleucine 1.483
L-Leucine 1.964
L-Lysine 1.429
L-Valine 1.657
L-Methionine 0.699
L-Phenylalanine 1.289
L-Threonine 1.111
L-Tryptophane 0.368

Total 10.000







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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2013, 09:21:08 PM »
Wow! Nice ownnage there Van!!

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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2013, 09:22:31 PM »
Meth like?

Yet another example of why you can't take the mainstream media seriously.
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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #105 on: October 15, 2013, 10:19:12 PM »
Meth like?

Yet another example of why you can't take the mainstream media seriously.

It's actually not really media hype this time. It's common to find an UN scheduled drug and source it from China.

When I used it I'd feel zippy as fuck and really suicidal later in the day. I'd just feel very incoherent and had a strong desire to kill myself even if I had a great day, awesome workout and a good dinner. I haven't had drama in my life for a long time and the mitigating factor was this stuff. Even two pills or 50mg and later in the day I'll want to die. But you get solid energy from it. Didn't feel like a safe supplement and I couldn't finish the bottle.

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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #106 on: October 16, 2013, 12:55:06 AM »
Van is easily one of the best posters here

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Re: Craze PWO
« Reply #107 on: October 16, 2013, 01:21:25 AM »
Look at the label. A mix of aminos, B vitamins, minerals and a couple of herbal extracts. Reading the ads you'd think it was some magic, never before seen type of protein. There is NOTHING new or special here, nothing.



BTW, someone professionalmuscle, a guy I consider the most knowledgeable on the whole forum by far ("Rex Feral"), says the formula is a clone of "MAP" (Master Amino Pattern).

http://www.masteraminoacidpattern.com/product/index.php
http://www.institut-o.com/a-comparative-study-on-map-luca-moretti-1988.html

Here is the ratio









considering the research my investor and I have done on, those ratio's are very difficult to get to be exact (down to the microgram... hell, even the miligram) in bulk (I mean by the metric-ton). I have quotes from various producers/mixers/distributers and you're lookin at a 2-6% variance. Not exactly a selling point when you're touting a "master mix" that's exact down the the microgram (or nanogram).

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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #108 on: October 16, 2013, 01:30:48 AM »
It's actually not really media hype this time. It's common to find an UN scheduled drug and source it from China.

When I used it I'd feel zippy as fuck and really suicidal later in the day. I'd just feel very incoherent and had a strong desire to kill myself even if I had a great day, awesome workout and a good dinner. I haven't had drama in my life for a long time and the mitigating factor was this stuff. Even two pills or 50mg and later in the day I'll want to die. But you get solid energy from it. Didn't feel like a safe supplement and I couldn't finish the bottle.

With Craze, I noticed that I had to urinate more than normal. I had no desire to eat and my sex drive lowered. My mind was too busy to be concerned with food or sex. It also impaired my sleep. I could not take it for a few weeks.... or a few months at a time, so it wasnt addictive. (But I do know a girl who made it the most important thing in her life. It took her from depressed & quiet, to happy, talkative, & energetic. She was on it for nearly 2 years straight. Several scoops a day).

I know what you mean about the "crash". But I found a way around it. I think it made you depressed because you probably were not eating enough carbs while you were on it. To have your brain being stimulated, without sufficient amounts of its preferred energy source, would make you
anxious & worried. I had to eat a TON of complex carbs when I was on it. You just have to keep the brain (which is excessively stimulated) with a constant fuel source.

Thats the problem. Craze killed the appetite. So eating excessive carbs has to be forced.

If you had eaten sufficient carbs (and enough sodium & potassium to compensate for the increased urination), you would have felt zippy all day.

I know this because I felt like you felt, in a way. My symptom manifested differently. When the euphoria ended, I had no patience for anything that irritated me. None. I got angry fast. Then, by chance, I ate nearly an entire pizza. The anger subsided, and the euphoria came back.

It was then that I realized the importance of carbs when it comes to mental function & dysfunction.

 

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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #109 on: October 16, 2013, 05:53:19 AM »
Increased urination, loss of appetite, and mood swings are common side effects from high stimulant intake, no matter what or where the stimulants come from.

Like I've said on the boards before, a woman named Alison Young from USA Today sent me and several others a PM over at BB.com requesting interviews about Craze. I basically told her to cram it and stocked up a few days later. It's ironic that people like her report so often about the so-called obesity epidemic and then help to ban things that aid in weight loss, or that give you the motivation to get off your ass and try. Same thing with ephedra and DMAA.

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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #110 on: October 16, 2013, 05:59:16 AM »

considering the research my investor and I have done on, those ratio's are very difficult to get to be exact (down to the microgram... hell, even the miligram) in bulk (I mean by the metric-ton). I have quotes from various producers/mixers/distributers and you're lookin at a 2-6% variance. Not exactly a selling point when you're touting a "master mix" that's exact down the the microgram (or nanogram).

I don't think an exact ratio down to the milligram matters at all in the real world. I have to question some of the other claims this MAP product makes, even if the product seems to be in the US PDR (?). Like the lack of calories thing. I know manufacturers don't have to list calories from individual aminos, only complete proteins, but from everything I've read an amino acid is 4 calories per gram just like any protein. Right?

I like free form aminos (they are easy to get down when not feeling like drinking a "rich" protein shake or eating food), but like I said, if I had easy access to individual aminos like you guys in the US (I could import but it's a hassle), I would mix my own and wouldn't pay for a "proprietary blend" from a scammer who doesn't even go by his real name,  "L. Rea" LOL. I know mixing your own would taste like shit but you could probably make it taste acceptable by mixing with a flavored carb powder etc.

Patrick Arnold, who is almost always right (he was right about Craze) said this product is high quality. But it's a proprietary blend and very expensive.

http://www.prosportssupplements.com/amino-matrix-v-2-1.html

It's actually not really media hype this time. It's common to find an UN scheduled drug and source it from China.

When I used it I'd feel zippy as fuck and really suicidal later in the day. I'd just feel very incoherent and had a strong desire to kill myself even if I had a great day, awesome workout and a good dinner. I haven't had drama in my life for a long time and the mitigating factor was this stuff. Even two pills or 50mg and later in the day I'll want to die. But you get solid energy from it. Didn't feel like a safe supplement and I couldn't finish the bottle.

You're talking about Craze right?

I told my friend that I thought Craze was making me depressed. Couldn't be sure since I was using tren and other things as well. I never feel a crash from ephedrine or DMAA, never feel bad on the come down, but when I've used Craze I have felt extremely down. I have also experienced dizziness which I never got from any other OTC stimulant.

Increased urination, loss of appetite, and mood swings are common side effects from high stimulant intake, no matter what or where the stimulants come from.

Like I've said on the boards before, a woman named Alison Young from USA Today sent me and several others a PM over at BB.com requesting interviews about Craze. I basically told her to cram it and stocked up a few days later. It's ironic that people like her report so often about the so-called obesity epidemic and then help to ban things that aid in weight loss, or that give you the motivation to get off your ass and try. Same thing with ephedra and DMAA.

There are differences between stimulants though. I've never used street drugs or research chemicals (except this ETH and DMAA), but there's lots of research chemicals which cause some serious problems in users. There's been several meth-analogues, Ritalin analogues, cathinones etc sold by RC suppliers.
This ETH stuff doesn't seem to be very addicting though, it isn't extremely euphoric, and I read somewhere that some data suggested it probably doesn't boost dopamine that much, it works mostly on noradrenalin. The more dopamine a stimulant boosts the more reinforcing it is = addiction.

Cahill probably could have found a much stronger research chemical to put in there but it would have been pulled much quicker. Even this was slightly "too good" and people started questioning it. Other manufacturers apparently started playing with dendrobium extracts and were mystified when it didn't do anything. :D There is no dendrobium in Craze.


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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #111 on: October 16, 2013, 07:34:30 AM »

You're talking about Craze right?


This was DMAA pills. But I bought Craze when it came out because my friend owns a supplement store and said it was flying off the shelves.

Was looking for a stim I could use without BPH fears. But I guess when it comes to stims there's no free lunches. I don't even take caffeine or absolutely any preworkouts anymore and I realized I get the same pump. Only time when I'll take a pre-workout is if I'm completely off all juice and really need it. I do like some pre-workouts, but these type of supps get you way too wired and definitely don't feel safe. I wish I could use ephedrine but I'm too scared.

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Re: Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion
« Reply #112 on: November 19, 2013, 01:54:21 PM »
I have tried Craze extensively now, almost emptied the box.

Much much better than caffein. More focus and less jitter. I almost stopped drinking coffee because this keeps me alert the whole workday.

Oh and yes, it seems to kill off the appetite. Not getting my usual post-mad-hunger, even after working out hard.

The only problem is that it feels so good sometimes I don't even wanna go to the gym to get my endorfin rush anymore, just happy cleaning the apartment with music playing in my headphones lol