Ad promotes promiscuity to push birth control coverage angle of obamacare

[Primemuscle]

No. He doesn't understand.

No you don't understand. Anyone can create links on their website to legitimate sites. The question is why they are doing this. Is it to advertise and support Obamacare or is it to undermine it?

[Primemuscle]

You do understand that whether the govt created them or not does not have any relevance to the legitimacy of the ads, right?

The ads themselves give you links to facilitate signing up don't they?

What more proof do you need they are legit ads?

You are so incredibly naïve. I am frankly surprised at this.

[tonymctones]

You are so incredibly naïve. I am frankly surprised at this.

and you are looking for something that isnt there...

so your belief is that this was an attempt to undermine the new law but providing links to the website to sign up?

I can think of about 20 better ways to undermine the law if that was the goal

[Primemuscle]

and you are looking for something that isnt there...

so your belief is that this was an attempt to undermine the new law but providing links to the website to sign up?

I can think of about 20 better ways to undermine the law if that was the goal

Why would I do that, Tommy? I have no stake in Obamacare. I don't meet the qualifications for a signup. My medical insurance isn't being cancelled, however the premiums are increasing as they have every year for as long as I can remember, much longer then anyone ever imagined Obamacare. I don't fit the profile of the folks in the adds. I am merely offering another perspective. Perhaps I am guilty of being suspicious, but I always wonder about people's motives. I even allowed in an earlier post that some elected government officials are dumb enough to put up such a website. You seem intent on it being the work of Obamacare. I simply don't buy that.

You are right, there are many better ways to undermine the law if one chose to do this. Whether fortunately or unfortunately, their are a lot of not so bright folks out their who simply don't think before they act. Maybe who ever created the website thought it was a humorous thing to do and had no ulterior motives at all. I don't know this and neither do you, unless the site creator is a friend of yours or it is you.

[tonymctones]

Why would I do that, Tommy? I have no stake in Obamacare. I don't meet the qualifications for a signup. My medical insurance isn't being cancelled, however the premiums are increasing as they have every year for as long as I can remember, much longer then anyone ever imagined Obamacare. I don't fit the profile of the folks in the adds. I am merely offering another perspective. Perhaps I am guilty of being suspicious, but I always wonder about people's motives. I even allowed in an earlier post that some elected government officials are dumb enough to put up such a website. You seem intent on it being the work of Obamacare. I simply don't buy that.

You are right, there are many better ways to undermine the law if one chose to do this. Whether fortunately or unfortunately, their are a lot of not so bright folks out their who simply don't think before they act. Maybe who ever created the website thought it was a humorous thing to do and had no ulterior motives at all. I don't know this and neither do you, unless the site creator is a friend of yours or it is you.

I think the fact the ads facilitate your signing up in the exchanges is proof that these are legit ads

[Primemuscle]

I think the fact the ads facilitate your signing up in the exchanges is proof that these are legit ads

You've said this before. You are welcome to believe what you will. I happen to not agree. But it is truly silly of us to continue to argue this point. In the end, it makes almost no difference at all. Obamacare will succeed or it will fail regardless of what either you or I think of those adds, who created them and why they did.

On a more important note, I personally believe Obamacare is so watered down at this point that it will have much less impact on improving our healthcare system then some people hoped it would. It might even make it worse.

The healthcare industry is a huge profit making venture, whether it is the healthcare insurance providers, doctors, hospitals, drug companies....they are all in it for the money. It is capitalism at it's best and worst. There are literally millions of Americans who have no healthcare insurance. While some of these folks find ways to work the system for medical care, many others simply go without it. The poorest of folks, get free medical care. The rich folks pay through the nose for medical care, either with high premiums or by self-insuring. The folks who are most left out are those in the middle to lower income classes. I happen to believe this is wrong. Others would disagree with me, suggesting we just let those poor suckers get sick and die.

[tonymctones]

You've said this before. You are welcome to believe what you will. I happen to not agree. But it is truly silly of us to continue to argue this point. In the end, it makes almost no difference at all. Obamacare will succeed or it will fail regardless of what either you or I think of those adds, who created them and why they did.

On a more important note, I personally believe Obamacare is so watered down at this point that it will have much less impact on improving our healthcare system then some people hoped it would. It might even make it worse.

The healthcare industry is a huge profit making venture, whether it is the healthcare insurance providers, doctors, hospitals, drug companies....they are all in it for the money. It is capitalism at it's best and worst. There are literally millions of Americans who have no healthcare insurance. While some of these folks find ways to work the system for medical care, many others simply go without it. The poorest of folks, get free medical care. The rich folks pay through the nose for medical care, either with high premiums or by self-insuring. The folks who are most left out are those in the middle to lower income classes. I happen to believe this is wrong. Others would disagree with me, suggesting we just let those poor suckers get sick and die.

I dont know any person who is for just letting people die, dont let alan grayson fool you.

of those millions without healthcare, millions choose to not have health care. Forcing individuals to pay for something they dont want in health care or in coverage of health care is not right in my opinion either.

people who are truly in need deserve help, if you cant afford it b/c youre single with 2 kids have cable and a smart phone sorry I dont feel bad for you.

The majority of people on govt assistance arent people who have just had a rough life, they are people who have made bad decisions...and yea I dont feel I should be held responsible for their shitty decision making skills.

[whork]

I dont know any person who is for just letting people die, dont let alan grayson fool you.

of those millions without healthcare, millions choose to not have health care. Forcing individuals to pay for something they dont want in health care or in coverage of health care is not right in my opinion either.

people who are truly in need deserve help, if you cant afford it b/c youre single with 2 kids have cable and a smart phone sorry I dont feel bad for you.

The majority of people on govt assistance arent people who have just had a rough life, they are people who have made bad decisions...and yea I dont feel I should be held responsible for their shitty decision making skills.

Under the current system you pay the hospital bills of uninsured people Tony.

[tonymctones]

Under the current system you pay the hospital bills of uninsured people Tony.

agreed, it what about obamacare changes that?

those who didnt have insurance will largely be subsidized by those same tax payers who paid for their healthcare in the future.

The premiums HAVE TO INCREASE as the insured population is less healthy.

There will still be millions without health insurance and the penaltys arent even a fraction of the premiums they would pay.

[whork]

agreed, it what about obamacare changes that?

those who didnt have insurance will largely be subsidized by those same tax payers who paid for their healthcare in the future.

The premiums HAVE TO INCREASE as the insured population is less healthy.

There will still be millions without health insurance and the penaltys arent even a fraction of the premiums they would pay.


Do you have the numbers for the people who should get coverage from Obamacare?

[tonymctones]

one....learn how to use a quote correctly.

do I have numbers of the people who will get coverage from obamacare?

does that negate all the harm its doing?

you see ive seen you use this idiocy already, the ends DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS!!!

only in the mind of a liberal is it ok to fuck up 90% of the populations shit for 5%....

[whork]

one....learn how to use a quote correctly.

do I have numbers of the people who will get coverage from obamacare?


Yes, do you have them?


does that negate all the harm its doing?


Depends on how many it is and how much money it saves. Do you have the numbers?

you see ive seen you use this idiocy already, the ends DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS!!!

only in the mind of a liberal is it ok to fuck up 90% of the populations shit for 5%....

[tonymctones]

post outside of the quotation tard...

I do and I also have the numbers for bush's plan which would have costed less and covered more people...

it was in a thread I started after idiots like you parroted the libtard talking point the republicans have no healthcare ideas.

so to you screwing up the majority of peoples healthcare is worth it?

[RRKore]

agreed, it what about obamacare changes that?

those who didnt have insurance will largely be subsidized by those same tax payers who paid for their healthcare in the future.

I think the reasoning here is that even though the taxpayers who were footing the bill for the healthcare of those who were previously uninsured pre-ACA will still be largely footing the bill for the healthcare of that same (now insured) group in the form of subsidies, the healthcare itself won't consist almost entirely of costly emergency care like it did pre-ACA.

I don't mind telling you that I'm not convinced that this will be the case, though.  Other than juice related blood testing, I have to be in serious pain before I'll make time to go to the doctor and I have great healthcare so I think it's possible that a lot of poor folks are just as dumb as me and will neglect preventive health visits and will therefore continue to overuse costly emergency services.

[tonymctones]

I think the reasoning here is that even though the taxpayers who were footing the bill for the healthcare of those who were previously uninsured pre-ACA will still be largely footing the bill for the healthcare of that same (now insured) group in the form of subsidies, the healthcare itself won't consist almost entirely of costly emergency care like it did pre-ACA.

I don't mind telling you that I'm not convinced that this will be the case, though.  Other than juice related blood testing, I have to be in serious pain before I'll make time to go to the doctor and I have great healthcare so I think it's possible that a lot of poor folks are just as dumb as me and will neglect preventive health visits and will therefore continue to overuse costly emergency services.

I agree with the first paragraph but when you take into account the rise in premiums that HAS TO HAPPEN due to the onboarding of those sick individuals its a net even at best result. Not only are those ppl who paid for the others healthcare still paying for the others healthcare, they are paying higher premiums for the pleasure of doing so.

I have started going to the doctor annually at least for a check up and use vision and dental more than general health insurance but I completely agree. I think its natural behavior to not go to the doctor unless someone feels something is wrong.

[Primemuscle]

I dont know any person who is for just letting people die, dont let alan grayson fool you.

of those millions without healthcare, millions choose to not have health care. Forcing individuals to pay for something they dont want in health care or in coverage of health care is not right in my opinion either.

people who are truly in need deserve help, if you cant afford it b/c youre single with 2 kids have cable and a smart phone sorry I dont feel bad for you.

The majority of people on govt assistance arent people who have just had a rough life, they are people who have made bad decisions...and yea I dont feel I should be held responsible for their shitty decision making skills.

While there is truth in what you post, it is overly simplistic.