Philadelphia goes full Akin, bans 3d printed guns.

[2ND COMING]

oh. dear. lord. 

Today, the Philadelphia City Council voted unanimously to ban the manufacturing of guns by 3-D printers, making Philly the first city to do so. Which is interesting, because the author of the bill, Kenyatta Johnson, isn’t aware of of any local gun-printing 3-D printers. ”It’s all pre-emptive,” says Johnson’s director of legislation Steve Cobb. “It’s just based upon internet stuff out there.” We would hereby like to claim credit for this legislation by pointing to Nick Vadala’s comprehensive May 10th piece on guns made by 3-D printers.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/11/21/philly-becomes-first-city-ban-3-d-gun-printing/

[Archer77]

Empty gesture, crime rates won't change one bit.

[240 is Back]

correct - will have ZERO effect on crime rate.

BUT

I have to support this - cause all is takes is one entrepreneurial a-hole to find the loophole and a way to mass produce them cheap... and the law always takes 2 years to fix the loopholes.

If I have to pass a background check to get a gun, everyone else should too.  I've watched a few specials on these - they're amateurish and junky, but they do fire a round.  Once someone perfects the technology, it's unlimited guns for cheap with zero accountability.  If I gotta get checked, everyone else should too. 

[tonymctones]

correct - will have ZERO effect on crime rate.

BUT

I have to support this - cause all is takes is one entrepreneurial a-hole to find the loophole and a way to mass produce them cheap... and the law always takes 2 years to fix the loopholes.

If I have to pass a background check to get a gun, everyone else should too.  I've watched a few specials on these - they're amateurish and junky, but they do fire a round.  Once someone perfects the technology, it's unlimited guns for cheap with zero accountability.  If I gotta get checked, everyone else should too. 

another gem from our "pro gun" conservative, or wait is it libertarian, NO democrat?

shit, which one are you again 240?

[Archer77]

correct - will have ZERO effect on crime rate.

BUT

I have to support this - cause all is takes is one entrepreneurial a-hole to find the loophole and a way to mass produce them cheap... and the law always takes 2 years to fix the loopholes.

If I have to pass a background check to get a gun, everyone else should too.  I've watched a few specials on these - they're amateurish and junky, but they do fire a round.  Once someone perfects the technology, it's unlimited guns for cheap with zero accountability.  If I gotta get checked, everyone else should too. 

I understand where your coming from but Pandora's box is already opened.   I imagine preexisting laws would cover the illegal ownership, manufacturing and distribution of firearms.  Someone who's going so far as use a 3D printer to manufacture a gun isn't likely the type to procur a weapon legally. 

[tonymctones]

I understand where your coming from but Pandora's box is already opened.   I imagine preexisting laws would cover the illegal ownership, manufacturing and distribution of firearms.  Someone who's going so far as use a 3D printer to manufacture a gun isn't likely the type to procur a weapon legally. 

hahaha dont go bringing common sense into this Archer, it doesnt matter at all just like the obama NFA gun trust executive order.

[240 is Back]

Look, if I have to do a background check when I get my gun, then everyone else should have to as well.

I dislike loopholes that allow people to do shit I cannot do.  Make sense?

To me, a 3D printer of a gun is the same as having a machine that molds the receiver.  It's just another mnfg technique.  A new one, of course.  But I can't exactly build the receiver press and sell them without getting some serious jail time lol.  Why should these printers get away with it.

fairness... if you want guns to be unregistered and rampant and anyone can produce them, I'm cool with that too.  But let ME and ther other 300 mil americans have that right too.

[tonymctones]

Look, if I have to do a background check when I get my gun, then everyone else should have to as well.

I dislike loopholes that allow people to do shit I cannot do.  Make sense?

To me, a 3D printer of a gun is the same as having a machine that molds the receiver.  It's just another mnfg technique.  A new one, of course.  But I can't exactly build the receiver press and sell them without getting some serious jail time lol.  Why should these printers get away with it.

fairness... if you want guns to be unregistered and rampant and anyone can produce them, I'm cool with that too.  But let ME and ther other 300 mil americans have that right too.

you did or do, funny how you jumped right on board with this though instead of arguing against it

funny and telling for a libertarian, conservative, democrat

[Archer77]

Look, if I have to do a background check when I get my gun, then everyone else should have to as well.

I dislike loopholes that allow people to do shit I cannot do.  Make sense?

To me, a 3D printer of a gun is the same as having a machine that molds the receiver.  It's just another mnfg technique.  A new one, of course.  But I can't exactly build the receiver press and sell them without getting some serious jail time lol.  Why should these printers get away with it.

fairness... if you want guns to be unregistered and rampant and anyone can produce them, I'm cool with that too.  But let ME and ther other 300 mil americans have that right too.

I'm not sure there are loopholes.   

"With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]"

[Archer77]

The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:
… (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.
In addition, the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b), defines the term “machinegun” as:
… any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. This term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
Finally, the GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 922(r), specifically states the following:
It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under the…[GCA]…Section 925(d)(3).as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes ….
Also, 27 C.F.R. § 478.39 states:
…
(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes ….
(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:
(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or (2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the provisions of [§478.151(formerly 178.151)]; or (3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.
(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts [tabulated below] are:
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings, or castings.
(2) Barrels.
(3) Barrel extensions.
(4) Mounting blocks (trunnions).
(5) Muzzle attachments.
(6) Bolts.
(7) Bolt carriers.
( Operating rods.
(9) Gas pistons.
(10) Trigger housings.
(11) Triggers.
(12) Hammers.
(13) Sears.
(14) Disconnectors.
(15) Buttstocks.
(16) Pistol grips.
(17) Forearms, handguards.
(18) Magazine bodies.
(19) Followers.
(20) Floor plates.

[240 is Back]

Hey, you can insult me and make it all about 240 instead of talking about the issue, but I think most would agree...  Would you want an America where people were able to open their own gun mnfg companies in their garages?  Every Tom, Dick and Harry building .50 caliber auto machine guns and selling them unregulated?

Goodness no.   And if you allow printing of AR15 receivers, and the cost comes down and availability rises (as these things always do...), then you open up the door to this.

Unregulated, untraceable, quality questionable, knockoffs... sheesh, at least now when you buy a gun, you KNOW what you're getting.  Shit would get ugly fast in a place like that.  I know, the counter-argument will be "only liberals would be against such a thing", but it's not practical, dude.