Unemployment Benefits End

[Primemuscle]

Fucking people who are without work, are unemployed because they don't want jobs, or don't want the jobs that are available. Maybe they should've tried harder as children in school, it may be too late for them now.

There are a lot of people who resemble your definition, but that is not all people. Some people are out of work because they got laid off or fired. Some are recently out of school and have not found work yet. This is why there is unemployment insurance. It makes sense to help people help people get back into the workforce as quickly as possible. Under most circumstances, they should be able to manage this within 26 weeks. People who are unemployed longer than this often become chronically unemployed, finding it more and more difficult to go back to work until they finally just give up.

By the way, studies indicate that the longer a person in off work the more difficult it is for them to go back to work. This is one of the problems with workers comp. It is one of the reasons, employers with adapt the job to accommodate the employee while they are on workers comp thus keeping them coming to work each day. The bottom line in the longer someone sits on their ass at home, the less likely they are to get off it and go back to work.

[Primemuscle]

Go back to diddling with your iphone, facebook and tweets... much more constructive for you.

When all else fails (and for people like you that's almost immediately), resort to insults. Too bad you aren't intelligent enough to mount a decent discussion. But then, this is Getbig....home for the emotionally retarded, Middle School and society dropouts. So I guess folks like you just come with the territory. So sad.

[Voice of Doom]

The problems of unemployment directly relate to high prices.  These high prices have been caused by the inflation of the currency.  When the US came off the gold standard in 1971 the Federal Reserve was able to print unbacked currency without restraint.  This meant, on the whole, that you had more units of currency (dollars) being produced every year chasing the same amout of goods and services.  What you're seeing as an "increase" in costs is better understood as a loss of purchasing power of the units of currency.
The 70s were marked by huge booms in commodities "prices" specifically very sensitive commodities like oil, silver and gold.  It wasn't until Volker in the Reagan presidency that the Fed was forced to drastically increase the "cost" of borrowing/printing these units of currency (by raising the interest rates to 12%).
After leaving the gold standard the cost of living increased.  This was seen in the creation of credit cards, which most Americans now use for daily living expenses, the need for two incomes in the family, the creation of the 401k (to drive units of currency into stocks).  Stocks are another form of 'units of currency'.  Deficit spending, starting with LBJ, became the norm and the US turned from being the world's creditor nation to a borrower nation.  
The Volker rule (as it was called) lasted into GB's presidency until an "injection of liquidity" which means more currency printing was needed to keep the system from collapsing.  Greenspan took over the Fed, reversing the Volcker rule and lowering the interest rate AND we had Gulf War 1.   Wars are always useful in these situations because they quell internal dissention through the mask of patriotism, provide a stage to show off new weapons to international buyers, acquire new resources and lands, and ignite military spending (which is a large part of GDP).  
This move was largely ineffective leading to the 3 way 92 election and Clinton presidency.
Clinton kept Greenspan who again lowered the cost of borrowing/printing money.  Clinton also removed the Glass Steagal act so large financial institutions could further "leverage" their new debt and reduced the amount of real money "gold" that had to be on reserve.  He also opened up cheap labor from Mexico and the Far East to encourage big businesses to borrow currency.
The rise of this cheap money flowed into Tech Stock speculation (before it busted) and then into the housing market of GWB's presidency (before it busted) in 2008.
What's needed is a real deflation of the currency.  Prices will fall back to what the consumer can afford to pay.  However, there's so much moneyed interests whose wealth and power is dependent on these leveraged "units of currency" that they manipulate the government (and its lawful use of force) to maintain their status and privilege.  
However, what's coming is a mathematical certainty regardless of their plans…

[galeniko]

Fucking people who are without work, are unemployed because they don't want jobs, or don't want the jobs that are available. Maybe they should've tried harder as children in school, it may be too late for them now.

do you think this applies to all of them?

or to a majority?

being unemplyed is no fun, most ppl will panic.

esp being unemployed without money is the worst possible existance.

nobody wants that long term

ok if we look at those who deal crack instead, they will end up in prison or not,thats the govts job.

but nono, thats atoo simple aproach you have there.

ok some ppl worked in good job and refuse to take a "lesser" job.for a while, but when they hit shizzorock bottom, they too will take any job.

what you talking about is scum like tbombs.

btw even the leftists here are very allergic vs ppl who deliberately dont work.

and if not workng makes for about same living standard as working does, then then something inherently wrong with the system.
then,ronicaly, the usa would have entered communist like economy.

[Irongrip400]

do you think this applies to all of them?

or to a majority?

being unemplyed is no fun, most ppl will panic.

esp being unemployed without money is the worst possible existance.

nobody wants that long term

ok if we look at those who deal crack instead, they will end up in prison or not,thats the govts job.

but nono, thats atoo simple aproach you have there.

ok some ppl worked in good job and refuse to take a "lesser" job.for a while, but when they hit shizzorock bottom, they too will take any job.

what you talking about is scum like tbombs.

btw even the leftists here are very allergic vs ppl who deliberately dont work.

and if not workng makes for about same living standard as working does, then then something inherently wrong with the system.
then,ronicaly, the usa would have entered communist like economy.

I know there are exceptions to the rule, but life isn't always fair. In our system, maybe not everybody is meant to flourish. That said, I had a condo at the beach when I was younger. Well, right across the street, in the resort area, was a section 8 apartment complex. These folks lived there all their lives, and pretty much ran it like it was their own city. Normal folks didn't go there. But, they may have not had the exact quality of life I do, but they didn't work either. They were close to the beach, had cable, and most had cars. So, what you're saying is right, the system is flawed.

[galeniko]

I know there are exceptions to the rule, but life isn't always fair. In our system, maybe not everybody is meant to flourish. That said, I had a condo at the beach when I was younger. Well, right across the street, in the resort area, was a section 8 apartment complex. These folks lived there all their lives, and pretty much ran it like it was their own city. Normal folks didn't go there. But, they may have not had the exact quality of life I do, but they didn't work either. They were close to the beach, had cable, and most had cars. So, what you're saying is right, the system is flawed.

yeah sure that happens, but if we count 8% unemployed, thats every 12th person, even if they unemployed by choice.

now i dont know how well off unemployed are in the us, but say in germany or the uk, they are throughoutly fucked lol.

the systme sends them working for 1usd-hour jobs etc.

and even if they dont work, the money is ridivulously low, considering esp the prices of everything.

if youre unemployed in london, you are so fucked beyond hope.1 way 1 station ticket in the undeground metro is 4gbo and some change.
a bus ticket for few stations is 1and half pounds or so, food is quite expensive, and you get weekly 54 pounds,lol.

and in london you going nowhere absolutely nowhere without public transport.its bigger thn some small nations lol

[The Abdominal Snoman]

The Government is constantly trying to grow. They will never cut "entitlement" programs for any real period of time without a bigger one in it's place...Complete Government Universal healthcare is on the horizon...There is no stopping the machine.

[Primemuscle]

yeah sure that happens, but if we count 8% unemployed, thats every 12th person, even if they unemployed by choice.

now i dont know how well off unemployed are in the us, but say in germany or the uk, they are throughoutly fucked lol.

the systme sends them working for 1usd-hour jobs etc.

and even if they dont work, the money is ridivulously low, considering esp the prices of everything.

if youre unemployed in london, you are so fucked beyond hope.1 way 1 station ticket in the undeground metro is 4gbo and some change.
a bus ticket for few stations is 1and half pounds or so, food is quite expensive, and you get weekly 54 pounds,lol.

and in london you going nowhere absolutely nowhere without public transport.its bigger thn some small nations lol

Unemployment benefits are administered by the state with funds from the Federal government. Unemployment benefits are essentially funded by employer taxes. In Oregon where I live, the maximum benefit is $538 a week regardless of how high and income you earned. A person earning $40,000 a year or $10,000 a quarter would be awarded $500 a week for 26 weeks. So for people with average incomes, the benefit is approximately half of what they earned when they worked. Unemployment benefits are taxed as income. So the actual take home amount would be less then the amounts I quoted.

In order to qualify for unemployment benefits, one must be available for work each week that they collect benefits. They must also prove that they searched for work. I am not sure how many contacts one must make, since I have never collected unemployment but I think it is somewhere around 3 job applications.

Unemployment is meant as a stop gap and is not intended to replace one's income. I doubt an individual getting $500 a week would qualify for other forms of public assistance, such as food stamps and free healthcare insurance (in Oregon, that would be the Oregon Health Plan). Unemployment is no "life of Riley" kind of benefit. It is also not a gift or a handout. Employers budget for the cost of unemployment insurance, which means that essentially employees pay for it.

[arce1988]

keep the knowledge coming people!

[True_Security]

keep the knowledge coming people!

What's the matter karate man? Home alone on a Saturday night?

[arce1988]

I honestly believe that is what their goal is.  Cloward-Piven at its worst.  Complete collapse and then institute a totalitarian regime.  Scary but true.

^

[FitnessFrenzy]

There are a lot of people who resemble your definition, but that is not all people. Some people are out of work because they got laid off or fired. Some are recently out of school and have not found work yet. This is why there is unemployment insurance. It makes sense to help people help people get back into the workforce as quickly as possible. Under most circumstances, they should be able to manage this within 26 weeks. People who are unemployed longer than this often become chronically unemployed, finding it more and more difficult to go back to work until they finally just give up.

By the way, studies indicate that the longer a person in off work the more difficult it is for them to go back to work. This is one of the problems with workers comp. It is one of the reasons, employers with adapt the job to accommodate the employee while they are on workers comp thus keeping them coming to work each day. The bottom line in the longer someone sits on their ass at home, the less likely they are to get off it and go back to work.

Good post. In my country, the recession since 2008 made a lot of people unemployed. A lot of them want to work, but can't find jobs. It is the same in America and in most other countries right now.

Some people feel too sensitive to go do a menial job if they are e.g. university educated. For me personally, I have 18 months where I had cleaning jobs etc. even though I have a master's degree. I am just glad I was able to make my own money and not receive funds from the government. 

[FitnessFrenzy]

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so much wisdom from galeniko





I know many people here in CA, that work, and still get some kind of govt help





wages too low, and prices too high...


Imagine, people who work at fast food places here, spending 5 per gallon of cheap gas... in old shit cars... barely break even after they get paid... so they get medicaid, food stamps, etc

just imagine how it is in a country like China.. geez.

[arce1988]

 

[shootfighter1]

There has to be an end to unemployment benefits at some point...congress has continually extended them the past few years.  Even though we aren't in prosperous times, we are out of the recession.  We can't just keep supporting so many people indefinitely.  Some people will need to do what other generations did and work jobs they may not want to work.  This administration seems to want to build a large class of government dependent people and uses guilt (and the media) to shame everyone who thinks otherwise.  Ultimately, job creation is the best way forward.  Huge government is the antithesis to job creation in the private sector because it needs to be supported by more and more funding.

[phreak]

'Work'?

Don't bring that dirty fucking word here mister.

I just read an article on a couple that's losing their benefit. They've both been out of work for FIVE years. FIVE FUCKING YEARS!. How on this earth is it possible not being able to find anything for five years??

Here's that's very easy. Why would a company hire a 40-y.o. when he could get a 16-y.o to do the same job for less? Also less sick days, etc. I wouldn't ever hire someone over 30.

[James28]

Here's that's very easy. Why would a company hire a 40-y.o. when he could get a 16-y.o to do the same job for less? Also less sick days, etc. I wouldn't ever hire someone over 30.

We're not talking flipping burgers here or cleaning cars. I'm talking positions where you present to board level or are solely responsible for for a number with many zeros behind it.

If you're a wasteful piece of shit that couldn't rise above the level of having to compete with 16yo's for jobs, then suffer.

[phreak]

We're not talking flipping burgers here or cleaning cars. I'm talking positions where you present to board level or are solely responsible for for a number with many zeros behind it.

If you're a wasteful piece of shit that couldn't rise above the level of having to compete with 16yo's for jobs, then suffer.

So there are a few million high-profile jobs available?

[Primemuscle]

Here's that's very easy. Why would a company hire a 40-y.o. when he could get a 16-y.o to do the same job for less? Also less sick days, etc. I wouldn't ever hire someone over 30.

That would be your mistake. Statistics show older employees are more dedicated to their jobs and actually less likely to call in sick. While it is true that many younger people will accept less pay, they are not necessarily cost effective employees.

[jillymayr]

Nice of them to cut vet pensions why don't they cut their own!  Welfare benefits through the roof and gov waste all over Washington but they
feel free to cut those who put their lives on the line.  We need to vote all these lifers out of congress!

 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/23/veterans-groups-vow-to-fight-cuts-in-military-pensions/

I've always wondered by the senate doesn't start with their own budget when making cuts..most of them are making top $$$ for nothing