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Rocksmith- Guitar Players/Musicians?
« on: January 23, 2014, 06:18:30 PM »
Why does Rocksmith 2014 list the power chords a5 e5 f5 g5 c5 and d5 under the "a minor" category on "Return to Castle Chordead"?

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Re: Rocksmith- Guitar Players/Musicians?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2014, 09:49:48 PM »
Why does Rocksmith 2014 list the power chords a5 e5 f5 g5 c5 and d5 under the "a minor" category on "Return to Castle Chordead"?


I consider them a dyad... neutral... but when it comes to gigging, we already know every guitarist playing solos in a bar is gonna stay in the minor pentatonic blues box while playing.

So if I"m on bass, unless it has that "happy" sound, I'm using the 3rd of a minor chord.

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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2014, 01:08:40 PM »
thank you 240! I'm trying to get this all down pat, seems complicated as hell but I'm getting way better. I took tons of lessons as a kid, everything is starting to make sense.

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2014, 03:13:17 PM »
I consider them a dyad... neutral... but when it comes to gigging, we already know every guitarist playing solos in a bar is gonna stay in the minor pentatonic blues box while playing.

So if I"m on bass, unless it has that "happy" sound, I'm using the 3rd of a minor chord.
Not every guitar player. Although I use a lot of different modes.. but usually when playing rock I alternate back and forth from the minor pentantonic/blues to straight minor, dorian...., and switch through the modes quite often.

it's amazing how much i've forgotten the technical side of music... I haven't had to use the information in years since I've just been jamming and playing at home, and since I don't play jazz much anymore... I can only remember a couple names of modes... Jesus I need to go study again.

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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2014, 09:05:13 PM »
people look at me funny when I go MAJOR in a song... like "Why does it sound so cheesy and happy?" because they're so used to hearing minor.

Oh, and then I'll play some leads in phrygian... the egyptian-sounding tone (think the little break of "come out and play" by offspring")... and then my bass player will fck it up by playing minor.

I learned by 7 major scales and I try to use them... but they're often wasted on shitty songs and mediocre musicians.

Really, the only people my age are usually half-wit losers if they're still playing music full-time for a living.  Jamming out bars for $125 a man each night, 2-4 nights a week. 

I've been doing corporate stuff, but even then, it ends up being 7 hours (drive an hour, set up early, park far away, wear a suit while setting up), and while you leave with $225, it ends up taking most of a day. 

Honestly, I'm cutting back.  Taking on 4-6 gigs a month, high end one-man show, this year.  Way fewer hours.

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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2014, 09:32:18 PM »
people look at me funny when I go MAJOR in a song... like "Why does it sound so cheesy and happy?" because they're so used to hearing minor.

Oh, and then I'll play some leads in phrygian... the egyptian-sounding tone (think the little break of "come out and play" by offspring")... and then my bass player will fck it up by playing minor.

I learned by 7 major scales and I try to use them... but they're often wasted on shitty songs and mediocre musicians.

Really, the only people my age are usually half-wit losers if they're still playing music full-time for a living.  Jamming out bars for $125 a man each night, 2-4 nights a week. 

I've been doing corporate stuff, but even then, it ends up being 7 hours (drive an hour, set up early, park far away, wear a suit while setting up), and while you leave with $225, it ends up taking most of a day. 

Honestly, I'm cutting back.  Taking on 4-6 gigs a month, high end one-man show, this year.  Way fewer hours.

It it possible to play the same song in different modes?

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 03:39:41 PM »
people look at me funny when I go MAJOR in a song... like "Why does it sound so cheesy and happy?" because they're so used to hearing minor.

Oh, and then I'll play some leads in phrygian... the egyptian-sounding tone (think the little break of "come out and play" by offspring")... and then my bass player will fck it up by playing minor.

I learned by 7 major scales and I try to use them... but they're often wasted on shitty songs and mediocre musicians.

Really, the only people my age are usually half-wit losers if they're still playing music full-time for a living.  Jamming out bars for $125 a man each night, 2-4 nights a week. 

I've been doing corporate stuff, but even then, it ends up being 7 hours (drive an hour, set up early, park far away, wear a suit while setting up), and while you leave with $225, it ends up taking most of a day. 

Honestly, I'm cutting back.  Taking on 4-6 gigs a month, high end one-man show, this year.  Way fewer hours.
Harmonic minor... I use that fairly sparingly. Its a cool sound but it gets old REALLY quickly. Lydian is major, right? Fuck I can't remember.

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2014, 08:55:47 PM »
It it possible to play the same song in different modes?

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Cmajor is Aminor.

When you hear the C, F progression of "You can't always get what you want" by the Rolling Stones..

You play the box at the 5th fret and it sounds beautiful.  
You play the box at the 8th fret and it sounds cool & bluesy as fck.

Root note, starting note, is C in both.  But you treat them differently ;) ... ya just kinda get a feel for those... and the IV will go sharp, depending on the mood you want.  I can show you way easier than I can explain it.  Next time you're in SW Florida, stop in at a gig and sit in for a few, we can do a shot and shoot the breeze.  

Come to think of it, there are so many times each night when I'll slip into one of the other mode positions without thinking about it... if I want something cool during a lead, I move to Aolean for a bit.  Maybe I'll end a blues solo with Phrigian I, II flat, just to fck with the ears.... Most of the stuff is just basic major or minor.  

Now, if you're working with skilled musicians, you can really get off up there... yelling "Go minor"... Bass drops to a sad tone, you change positions, drummer adds a groovier shuffle, and the crowd doesn't know why the hairs stand upon their neck, but they do... and the smile cracks across the face of all 3 musicians at once...  I love those magical moments.  They're fewer and fewer these days, as I settle for average musicians and more $.  I guess that's the price one pays.  When I was a hired gun for $125, I was the weakest one onstage.  Now that I'm clearing 200+tips and paying the scrubs less, well, lol, I guess that's what I get.

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2014, 09:36:07 PM »
Cmajor is Aminor.

When you hear the C, F progression of "You can't always get what you want" by the Rolling Stones..

You play the box at the 5th fret and it sounds beautiful.  
You play the box at the 8th fret and it sounds cool & bluesy as fck.

Root note, starting note, is C in both.  But you treat them differently ;) ... ya just kinda get a feel for those... and the IV will go sharp, depending on the mood you want.  I can show you way easier than I can explain it.  Next time you're in SW Florida, stop in at a gig and sit in for a few, we can do a shot and shoot the breeze.  

Come to think of it, there are so many times each night when I'll slip into one of the other mode positions without thinking about it... if I want something cool during a lead, I move to Aolean for a bit.  Maybe I'll end a blues solo with Phrigian I, II flat, just to fck with the ears.... Most of the stuff is just basic major or minor.  

Now, if you're working with skilled musicians, you can really get off up there... yelling "Go minor"... Bass drops to a sad tone, you change positions, drummer adds a groovier shuffle, and the crowd doesn't know why the hairs stand upon their neck, but they do... and the smile cracks across the face of all 3 musicians at once...  I love those magical moments.  They're fewer and fewer these days, as I settle for average musicians and more $.  I guess that's the price one pays.  When I was a hired gun for $125, I was the weakest one onstage.  Now that I'm clearing 200+tips and paying the scrubs less, well, lol, I guess that's what I get.


That's awesome 240, thanks!! I can't wait till I'm good enough to just "slip into one of the other mode positions without thinking about it"... wow

We can discuss 9/11... just hope none of those armed Florida rednecks get offended.

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2014, 09:39:52 PM »
here's the bottom line......the best guitar players are from yesteryear.....the new bucks today don't hold a candle.


Angus Young.......Eric Clapton.....Eddie Van halen......Jimmy Page......Pete Townshend....etc.



period...... paragraph......over and out.

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2014, 09:41:02 PM »
here's the bottom line......the best guitar players are from yesteryear.....the new bucks today don't hold a candle.


Angus Young.......Eric Clapton.....Eddie Van halen......Jimmy Page......Pete Townshend....etc.



period...... paragraph......over and out.

What about this guy?


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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2014, 10:08:42 PM »
technology has changed everything.  Really.  I watch youtube clips of amazing shredders... and what I'm seeing is a young dude, hyped up on 50 mg of adderall, playing along with something he practiced for a few weeks with garage band tracks... lacking imagination, creativity, using a line6 for tone that's just way too overdriven...

And that's why a 3 chord cheeseball song can make a million bucks while skilled players sit in their bedroom, woodshedding.  Cause nobody can see talent anymore.

HOWEVER, that being said, the people at bars, paying the regular bills, they love music.  rock. with solos and skill.  The players just have to use it subtly.  You can't play like van halen for 4 hours or people will be bored.  I play somethign whollyreminiscent of Slash, into something that feels like richie samora in your bones, into a clean Skynard riff, into some fast CC DeVille trills, into a BB King bend as the solo descends into a breakdown... all on acoustic, and all in the same song... and I do it in Gminor instead of Eminor.

keeping that in mind, I MUCH prefer being a hired gun bassist, over the "band leader" on guitar all night... hauling PA, coordinating players, writing set lists...  I love the high, I love the control, the ability to tie it all together... but sheesh, it's stressful, and since music is only my 2nd job, i'm trying to scoot back to bass.