Hanging Lats, is there a specific exercise to develop this?

[old-school-lifter]

or is all just genetic muscle shape and drugs?

im talking hanging lats like ronnie and kai have

[galeniko]

yes there is, if you dont have them, just get reborn with the proper insetions and genetics.

all you can do is get a back as big as possible.

then lean out and see whats left.

obviously, back exercises will build lats

[Icelord]

Be a beautiful man with glasses  

[the trainer]

or is all just genetic muscle shape and drugs?

im talking hanging lats like ronnie and kai have

Pronated grip to the front on the  pull up bar and pull down bar and lots of stretching. and make sure you impregnate a massive muscled women with a barn back so your kid can have the genes for hanging lats.

[Icelord]

Jay didn't wrangle the Olympia from a prime Ronnie. He took it by default from a shot, tired, multi-injured, slightly bloated, and 42-year-old GOAT way past his best, who nevertheless dwarfed everyone on that 2006 stage with a bone-crushing 300lbs sliced to the bone. If you're a champion, you beat the best when they are the best. You don't wait 7 Olympias to do it.

That being said, Jay did look better in 2006. But his only true shot before that would've been 2002, when Ronnie came in flat and smaller than usual. But Jay being Jay, he chose to take the crucial year off the O. Let's not forget he shouldn't have even placed the previous year after being busted for diuretics; politics in the IFBB being what it is, he was inexplicably given back his placing/winnings whilst Ruhl and Nasser weren't for the same infraction.

Look at his face in this pic. He was absolutely exhausted for sheez.

[BigRo]

 

[Simple Simon]

Is that for us or your neighbours?

[BigRo]

get biggers are my neighbours

[Icelord]

Those aren't really hanging. They're more like a classic well-developed v-taper.

I think he's referring purely to this:

[doriancutlerman]

or is all just genetic muscle shape and drugs?

im talking hanging lats like ronnie and kai have

Some exercises are better than others, sure.  John Meadows, Dante Trudell and a plethora of semi-modern types have come up with plenty of awesome lat width movements.

But yeah, without the proper genes and drugs ...you're all but screwed  Just do your best with a good exercise selection, poundage progression with good form and so on for 2-3 months.  I also recommend some cable rows, but performed in the "knee in the back" style; i.e., sit upright, and bent a little bit forward, almost in an exaggerated stiff-legged deadlift position; then, flair your lats as wide and hard as possible, pull with your elbows and row up as far as you can.

Generally, you want to pick a weight you can do at *least* 12-15 on the first so-called RP set, so start out really light.  For reference's sake, my lat pulls are a bad joke compared to my pressing and rowing strength, but IIRC, I started out with 90-100 lbs.  


I say get the super-strong and resilient rotators and maintain that while getting stronger on the Big 3.  But dat is jess one ole white man's ohpin'yon

[Mr Nobody]

Work the calves.

[Mawse]

Yes be sure not to accidentally do too many "back thickness" lifts instead of "width" exercises because that's totally how basic anatomy works.

And take the exact doses of red yeast, organic butter and coconut oil to ensure optimal width development.

[Hulkotron]

Ronnie should have won still in 2006 imho

After that he was done

[Icelord]

Ronnie should have won still in 2006 imho

After that he was done

I think he just got cocky with his diet. If you see Relentless, you almost cover your mouth in dismay at the way if was frying 3-4 sirloin patties and marinating them in about half a bottle of Masterpiece BBQ sauce, and using sprite to drink his protein powders (4 scoops of NoXplode on top of the rest). Meanwhile Jay was eating cooked fish and brown rice. There was clearly a difference in conditioning between the two, if not in size. Honestly, I think he just got used to winning so long that he forgot about the basics of precontest training/dieting. Add that to his obvious injuries and it cost him the historic 9th Sandow. I'm sure he regrets being so sloppy in his last year. '07 was just about confirming what he suspected: his time was up.

[heavysquatter]

watch videos of dorian. his instructions on lifting and proper form are the best. focus on the negatives. rows with proper form are the best for the lower lat.

[Rambone]

I think he just got cocky with his diet. If you see Relentless, you almost cover your mouth in dismay at the way if was frying 3-4 sirloin patties and marinating them in about half a bottle of Masterpiece BBQ sauce, and using sprite to drink his protein powders (4 scoops of NoXplode on top of the rest). Meanwhile Jay was eating cooked fish and brown rice. There was clearly a difference in conditioning between the two, if not in size. Honestly, I think he just got used to winning so long that he forgot about the basics of precontest training/dieting. Add that to his obvious injuries and it cost him the historic 9th Sandow. I'm sure he regrets being so sloppy in his last year. '07 was just about confirming what he suspected: his time was up.

I could definitely see that happening 

[snx]

It's largely genetic.

The shorter the torso, all things being equal, the greater the chance for cobra lats.

Look at Stubbs, Kai Green, Yates, Haney, Ronnie...all had that hanging lat look. All had very short torsos.

It's rare that a long torso will build a tremendous looking back, with exceptions such as Mike Francois noted. And even then, Francois would lose to Dorian or Ronnie in a direct back comparison, as good as he was.

Our lats all originate, and insert, in the same areas. The fibers we're born with, and how they're arranged on our skeleton, make the difference. A shorter torso just bunches up those lat fibers, whereas the longer torso stretches them out. You can only build a muscle fiber up so much...it's easier to create a dramatic flare with a short torso.

Dorian was always one to comment on this, citing this as a primary reason he was able to beat Levrone, Ray, and El Sonbaty (long-torso'd individuals).

[Pet shop boys]

Ronnie should have won still in 2006 imho

After that he was done

X2


wooosssshhhhhhh

[BAST]

I think he just got cocky with his diet. If you see Relentless, you almost cover your mouth in dismay at the way if was frying 3-4 sirloin patties and marinating them in about half a bottle of Masterpiece BBQ sauce, and using sprite to drink his protein powders (4 scoops of NoXplode on top of the rest). Meanwhile Jay was eating cooked fish and brown rice. There was clearly a difference in conditioning between the two, if not in size. Honestly, I think he just got used to winning so long that he forgot about the basics of precontest training/dieting. Add that to his obvious injuries and it cost him the historic 9th Sandow. I'm sure he regrets being so sloppy in his last year. '07 was just about confirming what he suspected: his time was up.

 

[phreak]

watch videos of dorian. his instructions on lifting and proper form are the best. focus on the negatives. rows with proper form are the best for the lower lat.

Hmmm... I'm a form nazi, but rows don't seem to do shit for me. Medium grip lat pulls to upper chest are the only thing that really make mine grow.

[AbrahamG]

Jay didn't wrangle the Olympia from a prime Ronnie. He took it by default from a shot, tired, multi-injured, slightly bloated, and 42-year-old GOAT way past his best, who nevertheless dwarfed everyone on that 2006 stage with a bone-crushing 300lbs sliced to the bone. If you're a champion, you beat the best when they are the best. You don't wait 7 Olympias to do it.

That being said, Jay did look better in 2006. But his only true shot before that would've been 2002, when Ronnie came in flat and smaller than usual. But Jay being Jay, he chose to take the crucial year off the O. Let's not forget he shouldn't have even placed the previous year after being busted for diuretics; politics in the IFBB being what it is, he was inexplicably given back his placing/winnings whilst Ruhl and Nasser weren't for the same infraction.

Look at his face in this pic. He was absolutely exhausted for sheez.

He was still fucked out of his 9th Sandow in 2006.  If it wasn't Ronnie, it should have been Victor in 1st.  Would have had Jay 4th.

[calfzilla]

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[nasht5]

chin ups.

[Ropo]

or is all just genetic muscle shape and drugs?

im talking hanging lats like ronnie and kai have

In fact, you can do a lot just by training smartly. First you need one of these machines :

Then you need to learn how to hit to lower lats, which seem to be something which 99% of training people just don't get. Secret of the movement is simple, you need to sit higher on the machine, pull with both hands, and find right range of motion for your dimensions. I sit quite high and pull my hand quite low, under the side of the ribcage. Chest and chin up, good posture all the way, squeeze of two seconds for every rep, and slow negatives. I do this first when I am training back, to get good pump during the rest of the workout. There is no video to be found about the perfect technique, but that first one is somewhat near what I mean. If you look other videos, you see how people use this same machine like morons, sitting too low and only squeeze what they get from it will be on biceps. Or something like this idiot:

Massive overload for building ego, nothing for the muscles. When you use the machine which is made to give you the opportunity to concentrate your effort to specific muscle, why not use it right? What seem to be missing from most of the trainees is the fact, that you have to feel and understand the contraction of the muscle you are training. That's why you need to keep good posture, pull your shoulders back and your shoulder plates together etc. etc. for every rep.  

[Benjamin_pearson]

Send that to your Skype girlfriend bra ill bet she would love it.....