Stuck and frustrated , would love advice from advanced members

[Beast1909]

As of late I can't seem to gain anymore.  Over the last year I seem to have hardly gained any quality size, strength etc despite constantly being on (mostly 250mg trt/week).

It could be the gear I'm using but if may be my drug choice as well.  I know a specific member Tbombz here took a good amount of test only and was water logged, bloated , and crappy looking (no offense just compared to guys like onetimehard, smoof, etc).

Every time I go to put on weight it's nice a full feeling like I'm gaining for a week and then get all soft and bloofy and feel tired and crappy.  I'm guessing it's my test is too high for my bodyfat level so high anabolics low test (50mg/ed).  I Only eat when hungry , but eat well and the drugs don't seem to be working like they used to .  Maybe I'm too fat?  The first time I got sub 8% wow did I notice how steroid really worked. Before that I couldn't really tell. Too much estro/fat?

Currently on

800mg/week eq
525mg/week NPP
750mg/week test

For my body weight at 165lbs and 5'7" to me this is pathetic.  I know I need to eat more as well.  Test when I go high with it kills my appetite and makes me feel bloated.  I also know the eq hasn't kicked in yet so I need to be patient, I just don't want to feel lethargic, I need food to grow.

It's been 3 weeks since I started, the NPP hit hard then I went flat and felt like shit after a solid first few weeks .  Something has to be on with my body.  I feel bloated and tired like crazy, especially after I eat.

Here is a pic too, tear it apart that's fine I just wan to progress.

Thanks

[Simple Simon]

you are taking way to much.
Drop down to 250mgs test e and sort out your diet and training, you must be doing something wrong to not be gaining taking that much.

[spiro]

You look great man. I get the same thing you max out even on a ass. That's why people add gh orals higher doses. I run similar doses I get denser look bigger my weight stays the same.

[Beast1909]

You look great man. I get the same thing you max out even on a ass. That's why people add gh orals higher doses. I run similar doses I get denser look bigger my weight stays the same.

I wish that was the case, I don't even get tighter or dense.  I bloat up and get soft with no weight gain.  I'm guessing my gear is not as advertised (NPP is really test, etc) and I'm really getting huge amounts of test.

I've never had this problem before with old sources over a year ago. 

[ProudVirgin69]

You look great man. I get the same thing you max out even on a ass. That's why people add gh orals higher doses. I run similar doses I get denser look bigger my weight stays the same.

Yeah you look great!  Would never have guessed 165lbs.

How long have you been running gear?  Also, please post exactly what you eat/have eaten the last three days

[whitewidow]

It would be nice to know what lab you are using especially since you think some of the gear is misslabled.

I think you look good. Nothing that will win a show but def a good physique. I think you could of gotten that physique using way lower dosages but you def look good. BTW- is that a stripper Pole In the picture?-LOL. Widow got the answer!!  change the brand of gear you are using if you think it is misslabled that would be my first suggestion. You said in your first post you are constantly on a TRT dose of 250mg a week but then list you are taking 750mg a week of Test E. Maybe toss in a little arimidex. use .5mg EOD or even just twice a week that should lower the amount of estradiol in your body.

I think you should also start using HGH. start offusing 4-6IU's of HGH per day and up the dose after 1 month to 8IU a day. The reason I say start at 4-6IU a day is to see how your body reacts to the HGH.

Honestly I don"t think you should expect more results then what you got off just using a TRT dose of test per week. You def look better then Tbombz(no offense Tbombz) . Onetimehard and smoofcat use alot more gear then you do and they also use HGH plus they have been using AAS and HGH alot longer.

Your current cycle will help you put on a bit more lean mass but unless you start using the HGH and maybe throw in a oral AAS you might not improve too much. your best bet is to PM onetimehard and have him prep you. he is a nice guy and I am sure would not mind helping you out. Once again you look great for being on such a low dose of test in that picture.

[Beast1909]

It would be nice to know what lab you are using especially since you think some of the gear is misslabled.

I think you look good. Nothing that will win a show but def a good physique. I think you could of gotten that physique using way lower dosages but you def look good. BTW- is that a stripper Pole In the picture?-LOL. Widow got the answer!!  change the brand of gear you are using if you think it is misslabled that would be my first suggestion. You said in your first post you are constantly on a TRT dose of 250mg a week but then list you are taking 750mg a week of Test E. Maybe toss in a little arimidex. use .5mg EOD or even just twice a week that should lower the amount of estradiol in your body.

I think you should also start using HGH. start offusing 4-6IU's of HGH per day and up the dose after 1 month to 8IU a day. The reason I say start at 4-6IU a day is to see how your body reacts to the HGH.

Honestly I don"t think you should expect more results then what you got off just using a TRT dose of test per week. You def look better then Tbombz(no offense Tbombz) . Onetimehard and smoofcat use alot more gear then you do and they also use HGH plus they have been using AAS and HGH alot longer.

Your current cycle will help you put on a bit more lean mass but unless you start using the HGH and maybe throw in a oral AAS you might not improve too much. your best bet is to PM onetimehard and have him prep you. he is a nice guy and I am sure would not mind helping you out. Once again you look great for being on such a low dose of test in that picture.

I definitely see what you are saying.  I have access to Serostim through a friend who is an AIDS patient and can get kits for $500/126iu's. i did use it for 30 days just to dick around with it an my appetite went NUTS, i know thats a good thing for growth when you are actually hungry.  Forcefeeding doesnt work.  Would using GH be beneficial and spurt new gains?  My problem is using that much freaking gear isnt good for my health and if i can gain better with less AAS when using GH I will.  Money isnt an issue.  As for an oral I have access to pharm grade abombs, var, etc.  

Also using an AI is a good idea.  I do have gyno as you can tell from the pic so i know my estro is too high.  Would i Just be better off lowering my test down to 50mg/ed? This seems to be a sweet spot for me.

And thanks for the compliments.  Ive been down to 6% bf a summer ago when dieted hard with tren, test prop, and mast.  This was a good source though.

My current source is a local friend who supplied me the said cycle above but now the tren crap and so is the mast.  I brew my own test prop.


And no lol it isnt a stripper pole, if you look closely its just the framing of the sliding closet doors (that have mirrors on them).

[OTHstrong]

As of late I can't seem to gain anymore.  Over the last year I seem to have hardly gained any quality size, strength etc despite constantly being on (mostly 250mg trt/week).

It could be the gear I'm using but if may be my drug choice as well.  I know a specific member Tbombz here took a good amount of test only and was water logged, bloated , and crappy looking (no offense just compared to guys like onetimehard, smoof, etc).

Every time I go to put on weight it's nice a full feeling like I'm gaining for a week and then get all soft and bloofy and feel tired and crappy.  I'm guessing it's my test is too high for my bodyfat level so high anabolics low test (50mg/ed).  I Only eat when hungry , but eat well and the drugs don't seem to be working like they used to .  Maybe I'm too fat?  The first time I got sub 8% wow did I notice how steroid really worked. Before that I couldn't really tell. Too much estro/fat?

Currently on

800mg/week eq
525mg/week NPP
750mg/week test

For my body weight at 165lbs and 5'7" to me this is pathetic.  I know I need to eat more as well.  Test when I go high with it kills my appetite and makes me feel bloated.  I also know the eq hasn't kicked in yet so I need to be patient, I just don't want to feel lethargic, I need food to grow.

It's been 3 weeks since I started, the NPP hit hard then I went flat and felt like shit after a solid first few weeks .  Something has to be on with my body.  I feel bloated and tired like crazy, especially after I eat.

Here is a pic too, tear it apart that's fine I just wan to progress.

Thanks

very very impressive for 165lb, that is a result of a small bone structure and a great overall genetic structure. No you are pretty lean in the pic.

As for your gear choice and considering you are not dieting what you look like is on par with eq, npp and test. Remember these compound to contain some water retention, yes both eq and npp do, so arimedex or letro will bring out the lines big time if added as WW suggested. What is hurting you the most is your loss of appetite IMO.

How are your workouts? strength levels?

what are you eating daily?

[Beast1909]

very very impressive for 165lb, that is a result of a small bone structure and a great overall genetic structure. No you are pretty lean in the pic.

As for your gear choice and considering you are not dieting what you look like is on par with eq, npp and test. Remember these compound to contain some water retention, yes both eq and npp do, so arimedex or letro will bring out the lines big time if added as WW suggested. What is hurting you the most is your loss of appetite IMO.

How are your workouts? strength levels?

what are you eating daily?

Thank you for the kind words, I used to hate being so skinny and having such a small waste/bones, but it seems to a blessing now in terms of structure .  I appear larger than I am.

Workouts are killer when I'm eating enough, my strength really books and I feel awesome, but if I get lethargic and don't eat enough they seem to suffer a bit.  Since the bloat it I've been feeling like shit and very lazy.  Coffee got me to the gym every day last week.  It was weird.

So are you saying I should continue bulking?  Like i said i feel fat but I think it's bloat, as I've never used an ai before in any cycle.  I think it would help with the appetite too. 

I've seen noskeep, gh15 and a few other guys mention getting shredded first with low test, high anabolics and some gh and then once very lean up the test and gh to blow up correctly and lean.  What do you think?

At 165lbs I'm torn between dieting and continuing to gain weight because even though I appear larger, I don't have much size on me.  

Diet is usually

8 eggs, 2 pieces toast, glass oj

6oz cod wrapped in tortillas, couple tbs peanut butter

6oz chicken breast, brown rice w/butter, pb

6oz cod, shell pasta

Some salmon, asparagus, brown rice

***this is the days I wasn't feeling like shit.  As soon as I got lethargic, this cut in half.

[Damios]

Maybe good idea will be go to lab and check Your blood work? First thing Your E2 level.

[Beast1909]

Maybe good idea will be go to lab and check Your blood work? First thing Your E2 level.

Might do this, I know it's high already though.

[OTHstrong]

Might do this, I know it's high already though.

pain in the neck but it will give you a piece of mind seeing numbers on paper. I would do this every time I used a new source.

[Beast1909]

pain in the neck but it will give you a piece of mind seeing numbers on paper. I would do this every time I used a new source.

I agree.  That being said, would you recommend dieting or should I continue gaining mass?

[OTHstrong]

I agree.  That being said, would you recommend dieting or should I continue gaining mass?

you are pretty lean so continue to gain mass, keep the diet clean though

[Beast1909]

you are pretty lean so continue to gain mass, keep the diet clean though

Appreciate the feeback.  I'm going to lower my test to 350mg/wk, let the NPP keep working and of course the eq hasn't even kicked in yet so I need to be patient.  The when I have my Sero I'll bump the test back up and put on some more mass.  Sound like a decent plan?

I'm realizing a gameplay is extremely important.

[Beast1909]

Just an update, bloating getting worse, have some adex coming but until it gets here I'm going to drop my test to 50mg/ed