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Obama hates the 2nd amend
« on: June 10, 2014, 06:04:40 PM »
Posted on June 10, 2014 at 7:18:39 PM EDT by servo1969

resident Barack Obama Tuesday suggested that the U.S. government should follow Australia’s example in dealing with shooting sprees, which involved strict gun bans on semiautomatic and automatic weapons.

“Australia had a mass shooting [in 1996] similar to Columbine and Newtown, and just said, ‘That’s it, we’re not seeing that again,’ and basically imposed very severe tough gun laws and they haven’t had a mass shooting since,” Obama said, after he was asked for his reaction to recent shooting episodes in California and Oregon. Those laws included the confiscation of nearly all handguns and rifles.

“We can have respect for the Second Amendment and responsible hunters and sportsmen can have possess weapons,” Obama told an audience of students during a broadcast on the Tumblr website.

But the country needs “commonsense rules in place that make a dent in what’s happening,” he said, after an emotional appeal to the students and young people who were watching the Tumblr broadcast, which was advertised as a question-and-answer session about student debt.

Australia also instituted a gun buy-back program and a national registery and licensing system in the wake of the April 1996 mass shooting.

Obama’s statement is likely to cause heartburn for Democratic candidates in Kentucky, Louisiana, Arkansas and other states where gun rights are valued.

But it may also spur turnout among young Democratic voters, who are demoralized by the lousy Obama economy.

Obama’s comments on guns came after the host asked him about the recent shootings, and Obama replied with an unusually emotional pitch.

“My greatest frustration so far is that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of people you know who can do just unbelievable damage,” he said.

“We’re the only developed country on Earth where this happens. … Our level of gun violence is off the charts. There’s no advanced developing country on Earth that would put up with this,” he said.

Obama dismissed the argument that shootings are not the fault of the mental health of Americans. ”The U.S. does not have a monopoly on crazy people, it’s not the only country that has psychosis, and yet we kill each other in these mass shootings at rates that are exponentially higher than anyplace else,” Obama said.

Obama did refer to the Second Amendment, but didn’t describe the limits that it imposes on government. “We have a Second Amendment, we have historically respected gun rights, I respect gun rights, but the idea that we could not get a background check [into law] … makes no sense,” he complained.

“I’ve been in Washington, and most things don’t surprise me, [but] the fact that 20 six-year-olds were gunned down in the most violent fashion possible and this town could not do anything about it, was stunning to me,” he said about the Newtown shooting in December 2012.

“If public opinion does not demand a change in Congress, it will not change,” he said.

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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 08:47:57 PM »
Did you read the article?

He never called for a ban on guns
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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 08:58:46 PM »
Did you read the article?

He never called for a ban on guns

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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014, 04:43:11 AM »
Don't get the way.  Lol

Yeah - Obama loves the 2nd amend right?  FNG tool 

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Obama Laments Lack of Public "Passion" for Gun Control



By Alexis Simendinger - June 11, 2014



 

 

 
 

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President Obama said the public’s “passion” and fury are missing when it comes to failed efforts to enact new gun controls and background checks in response to mass shootings.

He called it his “biggest frustration” as president, and he asked the public to do some soul-searching about America’s deadly trend.  Obama also conceded that his own push for restrictions last year, with Vice President Biden spearheading the effort, fell flat in Congress.

 


 
The president predicted that without demands from communities, parents, students, campuses and those impacted by past tragedies, lawmakers will not budge, even as the number of mass shootings in the United States continues to rise.

On average since the Sandy Hook tragedy, one school shooting a week has occurred in the United States for at least a year and a half, according to data compiled by a group known as Everytown for Gun Safety and translated into a map by the Washington Post.

Obama’s remarks about gun rights and gun restrictions – his most expansive discussion since the Senate defeated administration-backed legislation – came as a student and teacher in Oregon died Tuesday following another high school shooting.

“My biggest frustration so far is the fact that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of … people who …can do just unbelievable damage,” Obama said during a White House Q&A session with Tumblr founder David Karp and a predominantly young online audience that had submitted written questions in advance.

“We're the only developed country on earth where this happens,” the president lamented. “And it happens now once a week. And it a one-day story. There's no place else like this.”

On June 5, a man died and two people were injured during a shooting at Seattle Pacific University. On May 23, a young gunman killed six people and wounded seven others near a college campus in Santa Barbara, Calif.

The president blamed the National Rifle Association and the gun manufacturers’ lobby for blocking efforts on Capitol Hill to expand existing background checks on gun purchases and restrictions on assault weapons. Without a protest from the public, lawmakers will not act, Obama said.

“Our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There's no advanced, developed country on earth that would put up with this,” he said.

Sounding frustrated and dispirited, the president called himself a Second Amendment supporter. But the American people have to sway Congress if lawmakers are to consider legislation again one day – measures he said could help curb mass shootings.

“I will tell you, I have been in Washington for a while now and most things don't surprise me,” Obama said.  “The fact that 20 six-year-olds were gunned down in the most violent fashion possible [in Newtown, Conn.], and this town couldn't do anything about it was stunning to me. And so the question then becomes, what can we do about it?”

The president argued that bipartisan political fear on Capitol Hill, especially in a midterm election year, is to blame for the NRA’s success in halting House and Senate momentum.

“Most members of Congress -- and I have to say to some degree this is bipartisan -- are terrified of the NRA,” he said. “The combination of the NRA and gun manufacturers are very well financed and have the capacity to move votes in local elections and congressional elections. And so if you're running for office right now, that's where you feel the heat.”

The president addressed in passing the public’s unresolved debate about whether mental illness and emotional disturbance may be more to blame for mass killings than guns -- many of which were purchased legally before being used in crimes. He argued that comparing the United States with other countries indicates that access to guns and ammunition makes a difference.

This country is not the only one “that has psychosis,” he said, “and yet, we kill each other in these mass shootings at rates that are exponentially higher than any place else.”

Worried that campus and school shootings are becoming accepted as a “new norm,” Obama argued that the trend “is not normal.”

The president vowed to press his case during his remaining time in office, but in casting gun restrictions as a battle between the American public and the NRA, he also suggested the fight has to be outside Washington.

“This isn't the price we should be paying for our freedom,” he said.


Alexis Simendinger covers the White House for RealClearPolitics. She can be reached at asimendinger@realclearpolitics.com. Follow her on Twitter @ASimendinger.




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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2014, 05:05:24 AM »
Did you read the article?

He never called for a ban on guns

He cited gun laws in Australia.  What do you think those laws did?

You must have missed this sentence in the article: Those laws included the confiscation of nearly all handguns and rifles.

If that is not a ban on guns, then what the hell is it?

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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2014, 07:29:34 AM »
Shall not be infringed.....eat a dick Barry.
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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 07:52:01 AM »
Yeah - Obama loves the 2nd amend right?  FNG tool 

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Yeah, whatever birther, landslide predicting pycho nut job and your posse of angry depressed tea baggers lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/28/obama-gun-control-_n_5404854.html

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It




Conservatives have said President Barack Obama is "coming for your guns" and had a "strategy" to get reelected and then "erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights."

But with gun policy again in the news after the Isla Vista shooting, it's worth considering that Obama's legacy on gun control may ultimately be defined by the executive orders he issued in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. And absent any concerted effort by Congress, the fear that encouraged a spike in gun sales after Obama's election and reelection may have all been for naught.

Indeed, the president said after last September's massacre at the Washington Navy Yard that voters should pressure Congress to initiate gun control legislation, since he had already "taken steps that are within my control" after Newtown. In an election year in which Republicans need to pick up only six seats to retake the Senate, the prospects for a push on guns may seem dim to even the most optimistic supporter of reform.

And with that, a list of all the actions Obama has taken on guns. You'll notice he hasn't done much to restrict access:

That time he signed a bill allowing concealed loaded firearms in national parks.

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) introduced an amendment in 2009 permitting concealed, loaded guns in national parks to a bill about credit cards, saying differences in state and federal laws inhibited gun owners from travel between state and federal lands.

And signed a bill allowing Amtrak passengers to store handguns in their checked baggage.

Advocates of the bill, also introduced in 2009, said it gave train riders rights comparable to those possessed by plane passengers. Amtrak had allowed firearms to be carried on trains before 9/11, so the bill represented a victory for gun rights activists.

After Newtown, Obama assembled a task force to address gun violence.

Obama charged Vice President Joe Biden in December 2012 with overseeing an administration-wide process to develop proposals for Congress to take up. He urged lawmakers to reinstate a ban on assault weapons, close loopholes that allow buyers to avoid background checks and restrict high-capacity ammunition clips.

Then unveiled proposals to combat gun violence…


Obama's legislative proposals, released in January 2013, touched upon not just access to firearms and ammunition but school safety and mental health care.

And issued 23 executive actions.

A high point for the the White House on gun control was when Obama announced a flurry of executive actions accompanying his legislative proposals. The actions included requiring federal agencies to hand over relevant data for a background check system, providing more training for responders in shooting situations and restarting research on gun violence.

Only to see Congress take up just one of those proposals... and quickly shoot it down.

Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey's (R-Pa.) legislation on background checks fell short by five votes in April that year, even though nearly 90 percent of Americans favored strengthening such measures. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said last month that he'd need more support from senators to revisit the bill.

But he did get to sign a renewal of an existing bill banning plastic firearms.

It appears that all Congress is capable of doing when it comes to gun control is authorizing an extension of a prohibition against guns that can avoid detection by metal detectors and X-ray machines. Republicans went along with renewing the ban in December, but resisted tightening the restrictions.

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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 07:53:22 AM »

Yeah, whatever birther, landslide predicting pycho nut job and your posse of angry depressed tea baggers lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/28/obama-gun-control-_n_5404854.html

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It




Conservatives have said President Barack Obama is "coming for your guns" and had a "strategy" to get reelected and then "erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights."

But with gun policy again in the news after the Isla Vista shooting, it's worth considering that Obama's legacy on gun control may ultimately be defined by the executive orders he issued in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. And absent any concerted effort by Congress, the fear that encouraged a spike in gun sales after Obama's election and reelection may have all been for naught.

Indeed, the president said after last September's massacre at the Washington Navy Yard that voters should pressure Congress to initiate gun control legislation, since he had already "taken steps that are within my control" after Newtown. In an election year in which Republicans need to pick up only six seats to retake the Senate, the prospects for a push on guns may seem dim to even the most optimistic supporter of reform.

And with that, a list of all the actions Obama has taken on guns. You'll notice he hasn't done much to restrict access:

That time he signed a bill allowing concealed loaded firearms in national parks.

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) introduced an amendment in 2009 permitting concealed, loaded guns in national parks to a bill about credit cards, saying differences in state and federal laws inhibited gun owners from travel between state and federal lands.

And signed a bill allowing Amtrak passengers to store handguns in their checked baggage.

Advocates of the bill, also introduced in 2009, said it gave train riders rights comparable to those possessed by plane passengers. Amtrak had allowed firearms to be carried on trains before 9/11, so the bill represented a victory for gun rights activists.

After Newtown, Obama assembled a task force to address gun violence.

Obama charged Vice President Joe Biden in December 2012 with overseeing an administration-wide process to develop proposals for Congress to take up. He urged lawmakers to reinstate a ban on assault weapons, close loopholes that allow buyers to avoid background checks and restrict high-capacity ammunition clips.

Then unveiled proposals to combat gun violence…


Obama's legislative proposals, released in January 2013, touched upon not just access to firearms and ammunition but school safety and mental health care.

And issued 23 executive actions.

A high point for the the White House on gun control was when Obama announced a flurry of executive actions accompanying his legislative proposals. The actions included requiring federal agencies to hand over relevant data for a background check system, providing more training for responders in shooting situations and restarting research on gun violence.

Only to see Congress take up just one of those proposals... and quickly shoot it down.

Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey's (R-Pa.) legislation on background checks fell short by five votes in April that year, even though nearly 90 percent of Americans favored strengthening such measures. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said last month that he'd need more support from senators to revisit the bill.

But he did get to sign a renewal of an existing bill banning plastic firearms.

It appears that all Congress is capable of doing when it comes to gun control is authorizing an extension of a prohibition against guns that can avoid detection by metal detectors and X-ray machines. Republicans went along with renewing the ban in December, but resisted tightening the restrictions.


Thank God Obama is an incompetent communist

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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 08:23:16 AM »
Thank God Obama is an incompetent communist

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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 08:24:58 AM »
He cited gun laws in Australia.  What do you think those laws did?

You must have missed this sentence in the article: Those laws included the confiscation of nearly all handguns and rifles.

If that is not a ban on guns, then what the hell is it?

don't bother ozmo w reality - he is immune to it.   Obama signed the pledge to ban handguns in 1996 and then lied about it remember? 

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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 09:17:29 AM »
don't bother ozmo w reality - he is immune to it.   Obama signed the pledge to ban handguns in 1996 and then lied about it remember? 

No, don't bother me with YOUR reality.   lol

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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 09:22:07 AM »
No, don't bother me with YOUR reality.   lol

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Re: Obama hates the 2nd amend
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 09:30:39 AM »
He is as anti- gun as it gets..

He, bloomberg, feinstein, etc.. all pay lip service to the 2nd amendment but every single one of them would fully outlaw and confiscate all guns in america if they could. Most of these anti's have stated publically or privately at some point in their careers that the total elimination of gun ownership/guns in america is their end goal.

All this gun control rationale/'evidence' is completely based on bad statistics, fuzzy numbers and outright lies...it is proven wrong every single time it is exposed to scrutiny. Gun control does not prevent crime and it ends up only affecting honest citizens