WTF Barrack?

[Straw Man]

Even a stopped brain can be right twice a day, the surge coincided with the adoption of the strategy of bribing mullahs and militias (in Afghanistan they buy them Viagra) to stop attacking US troops. Pre 'surge' the casualties were getting so high even the MSM couldn't keep pretending nothing was happening.

If the idiots in charge hadn't disarmed and disenfranchised the Baathists after 'mission accomplished' then there wouldn't have been an insurgency in the first place.

If we didn't need to rub our collective Freedom cocks in the faces of the world we should have just kept Saddam in the first place, China does GREAT by bribing local dictators and militias and their people don't GAF about the locals getting repressed

great point

Also Bush signed the Status of  Forces agreement in 2008 that required us to withdraw all US forces by 12/31/2011.  

Obama didn't exactly have strong public or congressional support to somehow override that and continue keeping any troops there, much less combat troops.  

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011

[Dos Equis]

HIS massive failure in Iraq?  lol, it's been a clusterfck since day one.  Yes, there are going to be some uprisings.  Yes, he followed the bush SOFA plan, didn't he? 

if anything, i'm suprised we haven't had to do MORE of these interventions into this lawless ass country.

Wrong.  Again.

[Kazan]

Even a stopped brain can be right twice a day, the surge coincided with the adoption of the strategy of bribing mullahs and militias (in Afghanistan they buy them Viagra) to stop attacking US troops. Pre 'surge' the casualties were getting so high even the MSM couldn't keep pretending nothing was happening.

If the idiots in charge hadn't disarmed and disenfranchised the Baathists after 'mission accomplished' then there wouldn't have been an insurgency in the first place.

If we didn't need to rub our collective Freedom cocks in the faces of the world we should have just kept Saddam in the first place, China does GREAT by bribing local dictators and militias and their people don't GAF about the locals getting repressed in shithole 3rd world countries as long as China keeps making bank

I will have to agree with some of what you wrote, the problem with the US waging war, is we don't do it to win. There is always some half ass'd containment strategy or winning the hearts and minds horse shit.

The US wants to win, crush the enemy, then destroy their will to fight. seemed to work just fine in WWI and WWII.

[Mawse]

I will have to agree with some of what you wrote, the problem with the US waging war, is we don't do it to win. There is always some half ass'd containment strategy or winning the hearts and minds horse shit.

The US wants to win, crush the enemy, then destroy their will to fight. seemed to work just fine in WWI and WWII.

problem is after we 'win' what happens next?

wed need a permanent massive standing army and secret police to ensure the locals didn't rebel and even that wouldn't work. Imagine if China invaded the US, would we all just say ok bro we give up, have our resources?

the cheapest approach by far is to shore up the local dictators, the problem is the ones we used to back as 'reformers' started becoming BFF with Russia and we cant have that

The US has destroyed several countries in the last decade, there's no way Libya, Syria, Iraq will ever be anything but Somalia-like shitholes now. There's no money to rebuild and a generation has grown up knowing nothing but war - and the hardline Islam that wasn't there before now is in charge.

We get even more fucked as the white guilt progressives make us take in millions of refugees from these countries and pay their way, none of whom will do shit for improving the US (See all the Somali criminals we have now, throwing fund raisers for Terrorists back home and scamming the system for everything they can get)

[George Whorewell]

Reading this thread puts everything into perspective.

I agree that the Iraq war was a terrible idea. But that ship sailed 10 years ago. Revisionist history doesn't change the fact that our fuck up and Chief is the sole reason why Iraq has descended into utter chaos.

The bottom line is this, when GW left office, Iraq was in fine shape. The war was won. Maliki asked for some residual forces to remain for security purposes. Obama refused. The moment we left, all hell broke loose-- largely because, as someone pointed out-- we armed the Libyan rebels and the Syrian rebels contrary to US interests and for no apparent reason. Now, US weaponry is being used to butcher Iraqis.

Meanwhile, Obama's foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster in every possible sense. From imaginary red lines with Syria to the disastrous Libya invasion and Benghazi to the Ukraine debacle, America's impotent reaction to the nightmarish Arab Spring, the Bergdahl prisoner swap, the collapse of our Southern Border, etc. etc.-- the list is practically endless.

Blaming the current Iraqi situation on GW Bush absolves the Obama Administration from basic competency. Which is par for the course with respect to half the idiots who post on this site. Apparently, the mindless affirmative action buffoon running (ruining) the country should be judged on a permanent learning curve.  In the end, Obama truly represents his "community."