Competitor Died

[balzac]

matt porter...

Hopefully this will be my only response on this issue.

1 year ago the trainer starting these rumors threatened to do anything to take me down when I regrettably called him out on MD forums (this was an isolated incident) for claiming a client who didn't use his nutrition advice. It was really nothing, but gave him reason to unleash his wrath on me. Remaining neutral, never ranting, or speaking ill of others and staying positive is something I pride myself on. All the while he has still continuously for over 12 months slammed me any way, shape or form via social media, forums, others in person, harassing my clients...etc..

Regarding Robert, who passed recently -- I trained him for 8 weeks before the Oregon State Championships. I 100% ASSURE everyone the plan he was given did not include DNP, nor T3 or even doing much cardio AT ALL. He worked construction, and wasn't on very low carbs etc.. He was using whatever supplements he was comfortable with prior to working with me and told me he was staying on the same supplement plan he had been doing on his own. After he did the contest, we lost contact for 2 months. He was on his own and I had not heard from him. I was contacted by someone close to him about his well being the day before this tragedy took place, and sadly again when he passed.

I care greatly for my clients and care more about how my clients feel than myself. As a coach I always believe health comes first.

[Shockwave]

matt porter...

Likely story

I sense bullshit.

[old-school-lifter]

DNP is poison- who would ever use it? stupid

T3 /t4 is dangerous too- can shut down your own thyroid and you'll be on thyroxine for life

[Shockwave]

no way is nubain anything like 'liquid heroin". no way.

secondly, you can't OD on nubain. you can shoot the entire 10cc bottle IV and not die, much less experience any 'greater' effect than shooting 1cc.

I was going to say.... I thought Nubain was not an opiate, i thought it was something completely different.

[BigRo]

DNP is poison- who would ever use it? stupid

T3 /t4 is dangerous too- can shut down your own thyroid and you'll be on thyroxine for life

there have been studies showing recovery of the natural thyroid output after a few weeks cessation of long term use.

[old-school-lifter]

but have these studies looked @ doses BB's use?

you got a link to these studies big ro?

[HonestBob]

I doubt it.

first thing I do is have a client (client who'll be using PED's anyways) sign a non-disclosure agreement as well as a waiver stating that they're aware that I'm not a doctor and in no way hold myself out to the public as a medical professional and I cannot and do not prescribe .. blah blah blah... and that it is their own personal responsibility to seek the advice of a medical professional regarding use of performance enhancing drugs.... among other things.

.. for situations just like this one.

Good luck thinking that will work.

[Fortress]

Competitive bodybuilding has become something much different than what I perceived it to be when I caught the bug some 30-odd years ago.

It's simply not worth it.

[Bevo]

Competitive bodybuilding has become something much different than what I perceived it to be when I caught the bug some 30-odd years ago.

It's simply not worth it.

Yes but u gotta admit it's pretty intriguing  seeing all these guys die from organ failures left and right from abusing all kinds of drugs

Wonder who's next on that dead list??

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Fuller is a phagot anyway. Comes on here and offers no advice except to try and brag about his "clients"

oh brother

 

I too have heard that Fuller has a few discrepancies on his heterosexual record

[BigRo]

but have these studies looked @ doses BB's use?

you got a link to these studies big ro?

wise bodybuilders dont use high doses of T3

I will look for it again.

A little rationalization there big guy?

nothing wrong with being rational I dont be on it year round though.

[Ex Coelis]

shocking that anyone still uses t3/clen/dnp anymore after the publication of the galeniko/no one book

[BB]

I have to figure that it is user error or bad sourcing, or both. I have seen a decent number of people use it with little trouble other than standard discomfort. The ones that were successful were very precise and modest in the dosing. Now I've seen people upping it little by little every year or doing things like laddering it.

I also wonder about sourcing now too? Back years ago, the stuff usually came through reputable chemical suppliers, now I wonder if it's much like steroids, where the lines have been blurred.

[NightTrain]

shocking that anyone still uses t3/clen/dnp anymore after the publication of the galeniko/no one book