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Dear Mr. President:

It has been the extreme honor of a lifetime to stand alongside the men and women of the Navy and Marine Corps team in the protection of the American people and the values we all hold dear.

Together we have made great strides over the past two years, strengthening the foundation of our readiness, and bolstering our constellation of allies and partners, to respond wherever needed with the honor and professionalism that have marked our force for the past 244 years.

Now more than ever, the United States Navy and Marine Corps stands ready and firm in every part of the globe, fueled at all times by our greatest resource – the men and women who wear the uniform. Many of them will soon miss their Thanksgiving dinners at home so that they can continue the watch beyond the curve of the horizon. They and their families are, and will forever be, my personal heroes.

As Secretary of the Navy, one of the most important responsibilities I have to our people is to maintain good order and discipline throughout the ranks. I regard this as deadly serious business. The lives of our Sailors, Marines and civilian teammates quite literally depend on the professional execution of our many missions, and they also depend on the ongoing faith and support of the people we serve and the allies we serve alongside.

The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again, from Captain Lawrence's famous order "Don't Give up the Ship," to the discipline and determination that propelled our flag to the highest point of Iwo Jima. The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons that protect us all. Through my Title Ten Authority, I have strived to ensure our proceedings are fair, transparent and consistent, from the newest recruit to the Flag and General Officer level.

Unfortunately, it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

The President deserves and should expect a Secretary of the Navy who is aligned with his vision for the future of our force generation and sustainment. Therefore, with pride in the achievements we've shared, and everlasting faith in the continued service and fidelity of the finest Sailors, Marines and civilian teammates on earth, I hereby acknowledge my termination as United States Secretary of the Navy, to be effective immediately.

I will forever be grateful for every opportunity to have served, from my days as a Marine, to the extreme honor of serving as the 76th Secretary of the Navy. My wife Polly and I stand in appreciation and admiration of the patriots who today forge the next link in the unbroken chain of our Navy and Marine Corps, and we urge all Americans to keep them, and their families, in their hearts and prayers through this holiday season and beyond.

Thank you once again for the opportunity to serve.

Respectfully yours,

Richard V. Spencer

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2019, 06:18:37 PM »
Wasn’t he going to be fired? I’m not sure how I feel about this. I am not sure I agree with stripping that Seal of his trident pin, but am also not sure how involved Trump needs to be in this situation. I realize he is Commander in chief, but this one was ehhh.

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2019, 06:26:03 PM »
Wasn’t he going to be fired? I’m not sure how I feel about this. I am not sure I agree with stripping that Seal of his trident pin, but am also not sure how involved Trump needs to be in this situation. I realize he is Commander in chief, but this one was ehhh.

We was fired. 

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2019, 06:34:29 PM »
We was fired. 

if you believe Trumps lies (which you obviously do) then Bolton was also fired even though Bolton also said he resigned


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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2019, 06:41:35 PM »
We was fired.  

Fired Resigned because he disagreed with Trump. Navy Secretary Richard Spencer was forced to resign Sunday. IMO, it is a matter of semantics.

Where do you stand on the issue surrounding Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher? Is Trump, who has no (0) military experience much less training right or is the Navy Secretary Richard Spencer with 6 United States Navy service?

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2019, 06:54:08 PM »
We was fired. 
No shit. Typical democrats living in denial with their TDS.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2019, 07:42:10 PM »
If you’re Commander in Chief, doesn’t everyone, in all branches of the military, report to you and serve at your discretion?

More liberal BS and much ado about nothing.


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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2019, 09:17:03 PM »
Writing a resignation letter after being fired.  ::)   ::)

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2019, 11:43:29 PM »
Fired Resigned because he disagreed with Trump. Navy Secretary Richard Spencer was forced to resign Sunday. IMO, it is a matter of semantics.

Where do you stand on the issue surrounding Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher? Is Trump, who has no (0) military experience much less training right or is the Navy Secretary Richard Spencer with 6 United States Navy service?

Did you read his "resignation" letter?  "I hereby acknowledge my termination as United States Secretary of the Navy, to be effective immediately."

He was fired for disobeying a lawful order from his boss and for his behind the scenes attempted face saving.

I have no problem with what the Commander in Chief did.  I have a big problem with the Commander in Chief's subordinate failing to follow orders and then trying undermine him further after he got fired. 

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2019, 04:25:42 AM »
Gallagher was railroaded. 

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2019, 08:53:51 AM »
How do you think Trump will do with the military vote in 2020, regardless of the Dem candidate? We all know the answer.

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2019, 01:22:37 PM »
Did you read his "resignation" letter?  "I hereby acknowledge my termination as United States Secretary of the Navy, to be effective immediately."

He was fired for disobeying a lawful order from his boss and for his behind the scenes attempted face saving.

I have no problem with what the Commander in Chief did.  I have a big problem with the Commander in Chief's subordinate failing to follow orders and then trying undermine him further after he got fired. 

Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper asked for the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer on Sunday
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/11/24/pentagon-chief-asks-navy-secretarys-resignation-over-private-proposal-navy-seals-case/

"Secretary of Defense Mark T. Esper has asked for the resignation of Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer after losing trust and confidence in him regarding his lack of candor over conversations with the White House involving the handling of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher," the Defense Department said in a statement on Sunday.
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/24/782466541/navy-secretary-richard-spencer-pushed-out-amid-controversy-over-seal-case

Pentagon Chief Asks Navy Secretary to Resign Over Navy SEAL Case
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pentagon-chief-mark-esper-asks-for-navy-secretary-richard-spencer-to-resign-over-navy-seal-case

Further, Esper added, when he asked for Spencer’s resignation on Sunday, the SECNAV said he’d have it to him in 30 minutes, raising suspicions that Spencer had the letter prepared well in advance.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/11/25/secdef-explains-why-navy-secretary-was-fired-over-double-talk-in-seal-trident-controversy/

In his letter of resignation, Spencer said he could not in good conscience obey an order that would violate the oath he took to support and defend the Constitution.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/24/pentagon-asks-for-navy-secretary-richard-spencer-to-resign-after-controversy-over-navy-seal-case.html

At issue was the fate of a sailor who had been accused of war crimes and ... Navy Secretary Richard Spencer resigned Sunday at Defense ...
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/24/esper-navy-secretary-resign-seal-case-073436

Navy Secretary Richard Spencer Forced To Resign
https://www.wibc.com/news/national/navy-secretary-richard-spencer-forced-resign

When you are having issues at work, and the situation cannot be resolved, you may be forced to resign as an alternative to being fired.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-to-do-when-you-are-forced-to-resign-or-get-fired-2063021

Some organizations, especially government organizations, have a lot of red tape that makes it extremely difficult for them to fire employees without being sued for wrongful termination.

Like I wrote, it's semantics. Spencer didn't have a choice so yes he was "fired".  In almost every article I read, the terms fired and resigned were interchangeable. However, there is a difference between being fired and being asked to resign regardless of how the media likes to play it.

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2019, 01:31:17 PM »

Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper asked for the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer on Sunday
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/11/24/pentagon-chief-asks-navy-secretarys-resignation-over-private-proposal-navy-seals-case/

"Secretary of Defense Mark T. Esper has asked for the resignation of Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer after losing trust and confidence in him regarding his lack of candor over conversations with the White House involving the handling of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher," the Defense Department said in a statement on Sunday.
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/24/782466541/navy-secretary-richard-spencer-pushed-out-amid-controversy-over-seal-case

Pentagon Chief Asks Navy Secretary to Resign Over Navy SEAL Case
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pentagon-chief-mark-esper-asks-for-navy-secretary-richard-spencer-to-resign-over-navy-seal-case

Further, Esper added, when he asked for Spencer’s resignation on Sunday, the SECNAV said he’d have it to him in 30 minutes, raising suspicions that Spencer had the letter prepared well in advance.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/11/25/secdef-explains-why-navy-secretary-was-fired-over-double-talk-in-seal-trident-controversy/

In his letter of resignation, Spencer said he could not in good conscience obey an order that would violate the oath he took to support and defend the Constitution.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/24/pentagon-asks-for-navy-secretary-richard-spencer-to-resign-after-controversy-over-navy-seal-case.html

At issue was the fate of a sailor who had been accused of war crimes and ... Navy Secretary Richard Spencer resigned Sunday at Defense ...
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/24/esper-navy-secretary-resign-seal-case-073436

Navy Secretary Richard Spencer Forced To Resign
https://www.wibc.com/news/national/navy-secretary-richard-spencer-forced-resign

When you are having issues at work, and the situation cannot be resolved, you may be forced to resign as an alternative to being fired.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-to-do-when-you-are-forced-to-resign-or-get-fired-2063021

Some organizations, especially government organizations, have a lot of red tape that makes it extremely difficult for them to fire employees without being sued for wrongful termination.

Like I wrote, it's semantics. Spencer didn't have a choice so yes he was "fired".  In almost every article I read, the terms fired and resigned were interchangeable. However, there is a difference between being fired and being asked to resign regardless of how the media likes to play it.

Bruh.  When an employer asks for an employee's resignation, that employee is being fired. 

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2019, 03:11:44 PM »
Bruh.  When an employer asks for an employee's resignation, that employee is being fired. 

Then why not just say "your fired".

I don't know what all the ramifications of a civilian working for the government in an appointed position being fired verses being asked to resign are, but there could be some. In business, your wait for unemployment benefits is greater if you resign and I believe your employer is not on the hook for it. When you resign you cannot sue your employer for unjustly firing you. Also there's the issue of a severance package. Is The Secretary of the Navy who is appointed by the President a contractual position?

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2019, 04:18:57 PM »
Then why not just say "your fired".

I don't know what all the ramifications of a civilian working for the government in an appointed position being fired verses being asked to resign are, but there could be some. In business, your wait for unemployment benefits is greater if you resign and I believe your employer is not on the hook for it. When you resign you cannot sue your employer for unjustly firing you. Also there's the issue of a severance package. Is The Secretary of the Navy who is appointed by the President a contractual position?

The Secretary of the Navy serves at the pleasure of the POTUS. 

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2019, 06:07:38 PM »
DJIA set its 100th record under President Donald Trump.

I don’t give a shit about some Navy clown who got fired for not obeying orders. 

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2019, 02:40:44 PM »
The Navy "Clown" was the sec of the Navy.
A jury of Chief Gallagher's peers found him guilty of improper conduct by posing with a pic of a killed enemy.
The sec of the Navy was  supporting a lawful, Naval procedure and was forced to resign when he
disobeyed the President.

Please remember, that Chief Gallagher's military peers were the one's that reported him on this.
He wasn't turned in by the PC police .

So, the military operators that obeyed the code / rules and reported him,  are wrong in the eyes of the President.
Interesting?



As I said, the DJIA set its 104th record under President Donald Trump.

I don’t give a shit about some Navy clown who got fired for not obeying orders.

I also don’t give a shit about a fat lying liberal loser retard who has TDS.


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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2019, 05:45:44 PM »
There's a lot of money grubbers on Getbig. As long as the DJIA is doing well, all is good. Um-hum.

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2019, 05:52:39 PM »
I don't see how this 104th DJIA record is relevant in the Chief Gallagher trident removal issue.
But, if you could elaborate on why it is, I'd be interested .
Thanks.

The reality is, the Navy Seal trident issue is only relevant to people who want to whine about President Donald Trump.

The DJIA is relevant to the rest of the world.

Global warming isn’t causing the oceans to rise, liberal tears are!

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2019, 06:20:21 PM »
The reality is, the Navy Seal trident issue is only relevant to people who honor and uphold military laws and regulations.

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2019, 08:20:47 PM »
DJIA was 28,164 today.

Another record day for President Donald Trump.

Another day of eating shit sandwiches for libiots.

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2019, 09:57:56 PM »
The reality is, the Navy Seal trident issue is only relevant to people who honor and uphold military laws and regulations.

"Military laws and regulations" include obeying the orders of your Commander in Chief.

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2019, 09:59:33 PM »
Writing a resignation letter after being fired.  ::)   ::)

It’s a Bit Late Then & Pointless   ::)

FFS OP Got it Wrong Yet Again.  ::)

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Re: Yet another top level member of the military resigns in protest over....
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2019, 10:07:45 PM »
"Military laws and regulations" include obeying the orders of your Commander in Chief.

Under 8 years of Obama the liberals shit all over patriotism.

Now that we have a patriot for a President, the liberal hypocrites pretend to be worried about what goes on in the military.

Nope. Sell that stupid shit elsewhere.