Author Topic: Canada, like America, but without the crap stuff?  (Read 9400 times)

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Re: Canada, like America, but without the crap stuff?
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2015, 12:19:16 AM »
So please explain how race, to the exclusion of cultural and societal factors, is the driving force behind anti-social behavior.

You don't think a kid who is kicked aside or completely ignored by his father (but who will stick around for his mixed race kids), is taught that authority figures and people of influence are predominately white, is constantly shown how his physical features are considered the bottom of the barrel for attractiveness (blonde, skinny, white ALWAYS the most beautiful), and by experience is made aware to the point of hypersensitivity that they are "different" and considered less than the rest is not a possible factor in the development of anti-social and/or criminal behavior? I think it's a sound line of reasoning, but then again, I've actually given it some study and thought.

So please explain how race, to the exclusion of cultural and societal factors, is the driving force behind anti-social behavior.
I never said to the exclusion of cultural and societal factors. For sure these will play a part. I believe race, culture and societal factors all play a part. Its the liberal/lefty view that ONLY culture and societal factors play a part, and race NEVER plays a part.

I dont know what part of the world you live in where black people are allegedly portrayed the bottom of the barrel but in Europe, especially the UK, the media constantly portrays black people as the coolest best looking people. Almost all the adverts portray mixed race families with a black father, white wife. Most of the sporting heroes that get the most media attention are black or mixed race. Most of the popular music features black people with images of wealth and success (although often with a ghetto element which is negative) Most women's mags and gossip columns show successful black men having a great time in high society. The media does everything it can to create a multicultural image of everyone being equal, and that anything ethnic is cooler and better than anything white. The EU does everything it can to ensure equality through anti-discrimination laws. Perhaps things are different where you live, but I have not seen any examples where black people are portrayed as "bottom of the barrel" in terms of attractiveness.

I think it's a sound line of reasoning, but then again, I've actually given it some study and thought.
Its good that you have given it some study and thought. Of course naturally as a either a liberal or lefty, only you are capable of giving these things thought, people who dont agree with the liberal or lefty view, or those who lean to the right, are not capable of thought as we know. I always love the the liberals view, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as it agrees with them. If it doesn't, then roll out the 18 year old students with no life experience and lets start protesting!!




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Re: Canada, like America, but without the crap stuff?
« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2015, 04:52:25 AM »
I never said to the exclusion of cultural and societal factors. For sure these will play a part. I believe race, culture and societal factors all play a part. Its the liberal/lefty view that ONLY culture and societal factors play a part, and race NEVER plays a part.

I think that eventually, the cultural and societal factors become entwined with certain groups and it becomes extremely difficult to separate them. I just don't think there has been convincing evidence that a racial characteristic predisposes one to criminal and/or violent behavior. Environmental factors play a huge role in human learning and development, and I hold that a sense of societal value is instilled (or not) at a young age. Lack of this value makes it easier to not care about others, especially those who do belong or have this sense. A young black kid on the street feels he has no means to exert power over others, except with a gun, while the rich white Wall St kid knows how to manipulate the system to steal your money.

...the media constantly portrays black people as the coolest best looking people. Almost all the adverts portray mixed race families with a black father, white wife. Most of the sporting heroes that get the most media attention are black or mixed race. The media does everything it can to create a multicultural image of everyone being equal, and that anything ethnic is cooler and better than anything white. The EU does everything it can to ensure equality through anti-discrimination laws. Perhaps things are different where you live, but I have not seen any examples where black people are portrayed as "bottom of the barrel" in terms of attractiveness.

This speaks directly to my point; the families with at least some "white" component are seen as more desirable. Browse any magazine stand and you will see that the covers predominately feature airbrushed white models and celebrities. TV shows and movies have very little to offer visible minorities in terms of leading and/or non-ethnically focused roles. In other words, just a lawyer, or a doctor, or a CEO, or just a guy. Any top-ten "most-attractive" or "sexiest" list will almost certainly be topped by a white (or mixed-race, in some cases) celeb. And despite the dominance of blacks in sport and music, they are still under-represented in positions of true power (politics, CEOs, bankers, etc). Even black people themselves discriminate based on the darkness of skin, hair, etc, and often buy skin bleachers and hair straighteners. Asians get eye surgery to make their eyes more rounded. Where does this sense that their ethnic/racial features are less desirable come from?

Its good that you have given it some study and thought. Of course naturally as a either a liberal or lefty, only you are capable of giving these things thought, people who dont agree with the liberal or lefty view, or those who lean to the right, are not capable of thought as we know. I always love the the liberals view, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as it agrees with them. If it doesn't, then roll out the 18 year old students with no life experience and lets start protesting!

Nah, I'm just trying to understand things. I don't think the issue is as simple as "because they are black". There are layers of complexity here. My points are made to encourage discussion and the sharing of opinions, but most on the right just respond with dismissals or outright insults. Isn't that the same thing they accuse lefties of? I'm interested in a differing opinion, but so far no one has really offered one.

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Re: Canada, like America, but without the crap stuff?
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2015, 04:56:15 AM »
Like America but without the rap stuff.