no thread on the isis gunman who just murdered 38, inc 15 brits?

[Twaddle]

Lord, the Internet is full of statistics. Look up the work of John Lott.

So far, all of the recent attacks have been with either illegally obtained weapons or by first time psychos that were subjected to a background check and passed, so evidence suggests that background checks don't really do shit.

I just read an article by Lott.  He makes some very good points, but I couldn't find any statistics to back up the points.  I will take his word for it though, more guns = less shootings.  

So, your stance on mandatory background checks for the sale or transfer of firearms is that it would be pointless?

[Montague]

Either way, it's not a win. You made a statement and I provided evidence contrary to your statement.

It's not a "win" for either side. All this discussion demonstrates is that places with strict gun laws/control are subject to the same problems as those with more lenient restrictions.

[_aj_]

It's not a "win" for either side. All this discussion demonstrates is that places with strict gun laws/control are subject to the same problems as those with more lenient restrictions.

Yes, so why not side with more freedom? Progressives recoil from gun rights because it infringes upon their belief that the state should have an absolute monopoly on the ability to do violence.

[Montague]

Yes, so why not side with more freedom? Progressives recoil from gun rights because it infringes upon their belief that the state should have an absolute monopoly on the ability to do violence.

I'm with you.

If shit is going to happen regardless (as it does), I want every chance available to me to protect myself and my loved ones. It's not a guarantee by any stretch, but if it's my only chance, then I want at least that chance!!

Who wouldn't, and why wouldn't they?

I've never understood the bottom line submissiveness of good people who support keeping guns out of their own hands.

[_aj_]

I'm with you.

If shit is going to happen regardless (as it does), I want every chance available to me to protect myself and my loved ones. It's not a guarantee by any stretch, but if it's my only chance, then I want at least that chance!!

Who wouldn't, and why wouldn't they?

I've never understood the bottom line submissiveness of good people who support keeping guns out of their own hands.

I've come to believe it is because progressives have zero self-control over their actions. They know that if they had a gun, they would use it in passion. They cannot comprehend that others possess such control.

Plus, for a progressive, the state is their God and it offends them that anyone would choose a path that isn't endorsed by the state.

Progressives are truly mentally ill.

[Army of One]

At least 30 brits dead now