He doesn't claim natural in either of those. He just hints at stuff without any definitive statement on his use.
And regarding Gladiators;
I don't know if the UK and US shows were run in the same way, but I was talking to a former UK gladiator from the era when it was big. I asked him about steroids in the show. He said that when you join, your levels are taken, if you ever go over that level by a certain margin you're out. So what they did was load up before testing to give themselves a big margin.
Jesus Christ. Talk about only hearing what you want to hear. So someone who claims they have never ever tried to get steroids isn't claiming natural. He has competed in and won natural shows. In many interviews he claims to have never taken steroids.
So you don't believe when someone claims to have never tried to get steroids as not a definitive statement regarding their own non steroid use. I thought even the simplest person would understand to use steroids one would first have to get them.
From his Ironman Interview titled
"21 Inch Arms Naturally With Mike “Titan” O’Hearn":DY: So you decided to be the guy who fights back?
MO: Yes. I learned at a young age that I worked off of negatives. The more they said, "You can't," the more the Irish in me said, "Yeah, just watch!"
DY: That's powerful stuff.
MO: There's this Irish mentality that says, Don't tell me what to do 'cause now I'm going to go and do it anyway. And that's totally how it worked with the steroid factor.
They said, "You can't compete; you can't do anything unless you take steroids." My thoughts were, Okay, let me show you.(meaning I can achieve the same results without steroids)