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Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« on: October 27, 2015, 10:32:18 PM »
Republicans have fended off accusations for years that they'd gut Medicare for seniors and end the program "as we know it."
Not Ben Carson. The former neurosurgeon acknowledges he would abolish the program altogether.

Carson, who now leads the GOP field in Iowa according to the latest Quinnipiac Poll, would eliminate the program that provides health care to 49 million senior citizens, as well as Medicaid, and replace it with a system of cradle-to-grave savings accounts which would be funded with $2,000 a year in government contributions. While rivals have been pummeled for proposing less radical changes, Carson hasn't faced the same scrutiny -- and his continued traction in polls has left GOP strategists and conservative health care wonks scratching their heads.
"This isn’t a borderline issue. The politics of this are horrific," said Doug Holtz-Eakin, head of the American Action Forum and health care adviser to Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.

Carson's stance on the third-rail issue of Medicare is especially risky given his strength among elderly voters. In Iowa, Carson draws a quarter of the senior vote -- more than double any other candidate except Donald Trump, with whom he’s statistically tied among seniors. Carson’s support is even higher among voters between the ages of 55 and 64, who are on the verge of Medicare eligibility. He draws 34 percent of that age group, double Trump’s level of support, according to the Quinnipiac poll.

Carson's GOP rivals are largely holding their fire so far. Trump's campaign declined to comment, as did the campaigns of Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio. A spokeswoman for Bobby Jindal noted the Louisiana governor's support for reforming -- but preserving -- Medicare and Medicaid.

“Without change, they will go bankrupt,” said the spokeswoman, Shannon Dirmann. “Abolishing them is bad policy.”



he former neurosurgeon regularly talks up his savings account plan on the campaign trail and calls for the repeal of Obamacare, but he doesn't typically emphasize that moving dollars out of "traditional health care" means eliminating Medicare and Medicaid too.

"I have suggested that we provide the ability for anyone to have a health savings account from the day they are born until the day they die," he said during a speech at Cedarville University on Sept. 22. "We’ll pay for it with the same dollars that we pay for traditional health care with."

When pressed on his position in May by CNBC's John Harwood, Carson said Americans would support the elimination of Medicare when presented with the facts of his plan.

"When people are able to see how much more freedom they will have, and how much more flexibility they will have, and how much more choice they would have, I think it's going to be a no-brainer," he said.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-medicare-medicaid-215055#ixzz3pq0JqRtE

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2015, 05:14:03 AM »
It doesn't matter what he wants only what he can get passed so this is a non story

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2015, 09:49:40 AM »
I disagree.

It shows the direction he wants to take. Similarly to people being angry about Obama for things they say he can't get passed (gun control) and other things.

It speaks to the man and what he believes.

It's a problem. 

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2015, 09:57:08 AM »
I disagree.

It shows the direction he wants to take. Similarly to people being angry about Obama for things they say he can't get passed (gun control) and other things.

It speaks to the man and what he believes.

It's a problem. 

getbiggers are confused sometimes.  They confuse policy proposals with "secret desires".   They believe obama wants to take all the guns.  Obama's proposed policies involve better background checking.  They just MERGE the two.

Carson says he wants to end medicare.  Not a conspiracy theory, not an imaginary request.  He wants to create legislative change, and so does the repub senate/house.  Difference from what he masturbates to in the shower.

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2015, 11:56:49 AM »
getbiggers are confused sometimes.  They confuse policy proposals with "secret desires".   They believe obama wants to take all the guns.  Obama's proposed policies involve better background checking.  They just MERGE the two.

Carson says he wants to end medicare.  Not a conspiracy theory, not an imaginary request.  He wants to create legislative change, and so does the repub senate/house.  Difference from what he masturbates to in the shower.
Hmm funny in my thread about Hilary contemplating implementing a mandatory gun buy back you said it didn't matter bc it would never get passed...

I guess you're confused too the, eh?

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2015, 11:58:32 AM »
Hmm funny in my thread about Hilary contemplating implementing a mandatory gun buy back you said it didn't matter bc it would never get passed...

I guess you're confused too the, eh?

please link me to "hilary contemplating MANDATORY GUN BUYBACK"

that's new to me.  Link, please.

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2015, 11:58:56 AM »
I think most leaders, from both parties, are psychos.

They probably "want" to exploit every person/resource and get rich doing it.

I think most would sell half the population for scrap and embezzle the rest.

Who gives an F what any politician "wants"?   At the end of obama's presidency, our guns will be just as safe as they were at the end of bush's presidency.   In fact, we lived thru 3 years of assault weapons ban under Bush, and zero years of it under Obama. 

So yeah, I don't care what any man "wants" - I only care about what happens in the real world, outside of his mind.   Most people "want" to bang models and shoot annoying people and steal what they want and eat steak all day, etc.   But they dont do it. 

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2015, 01:53:09 PM »
I disagree.

It shows the direction he wants to take. Similarly to people being angry about Obama for things they say he can't get passed (gun control) and other things.

It speaks to the man and what he believes.

It's a problem. 
I agree with you bro, just don't know why 240 cares as it won't get passed and that is apparently the bar in which he judges someone political beliefs

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2015, 02:01:08 PM »
It doesn't matter what he wants only what he can get passed so this is a non story

I'm sure thats what all those senior citizens who love their Medicare (and who vote) will be thinking

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2015, 02:56:30 PM »
I'm sure thats what all those senior citizens who love their Medicare (and who vote) will be thinking
Scroll up there genius and join the conversation

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2015, 03:23:30 PM »
Scroll up there genius and join the conversation

I don't see you retracting that statement

did I miss it?

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2015, 04:37:23 PM »
I don't see you retracting that statement

did I miss it?
you missed the explanation of it...apparently

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson's prescription: Abolish Medicare
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2015, 07:32:05 PM »
Here you go 240

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=585148.0#quickreply

and a link to the article

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback?ref=yfp

and a quote from the article

Hillary Clinton praised the gun control measures Australia adopted in 1996-'97 at a campaign stop Friday, saying, "It would be worth considering doing it on the national level," in the US. She stopped short of outright saying the US should copy the laws, but expressed sympathy with the idea. "I do not know enough detail to tell you how we would do it, or how would it work," she told a voter who asked about Australia, per a transcript from the Washington Free Beacon, "but certainly your example is worth looking at."

and your response to it

I think most leaders, from both parties, are psychos.

They probably "want" to exploit every person/resource and get rich doing it.

I think most would sell half the population for scrap and embezzle the rest.

Who gives an F what any politician "wants"?   At the end of obama's presidency, our guns will be just as safe as they were at the end of bush's presidency.   In fact, we lived thru 3 years of assault weapons ban under Bush, and zero years of it under Obama. 

So yeah, I don't care what any man "wants" - I only care about what happens in the real world, outside of his mind.   Most people "want" to bang models and shoot annoying people and steal what they want and eat steak all day, etc.   But they dont do it. 

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2015, 07:34:17 PM »
so she "sympathizes" but says we shouldn't copy it.   Gotcha. 

We actually sufferered worse gun rights under Bush, than obama.  Isn't that weird?   Three years of Bush reign, we lived under the assault weapons ban.  We will never suffer under that ban under Obama.  So weird.

Remember paying $80 for a 15 round glock mag back in 2002?  LOL

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2015, 07:42:09 PM »
Hahahha again you get proven wrong and try to silverline...

what she said was "It would be worth considering doing it on the national level,"

I guess b/c bush did something it makes it ok for others now? good to know