Do you LOL at "overtraining?"

[cephissus]

You're the girl whining about training. Stick to eating pop tarts princess

try going hard 2-3 hours a day no stims or hormones and tell me how you feel

[_aj_]

try going hard 2-3 hours a day no stims or hormones and tell me how you feel

I feel like shit just reading that.

[Lustral]

Do you guys ever get apathetic?

I suffer from major apathy at the moment. Last week I maxed out in squat with 60kg, I got 100 reps. This was after I ran 6 miles. This week even warm ups feel boring as ta's one post and run for cover replys. Even push ups feel like meh. Training feels so boring, but if I don't train I feel cranky, depressed, sad, murderous. I can stab a guy 1000 times, but I don't have any motivation to train.

I know what I have to do. I just wanted to cry a river here. I'll go buy some beer to make my self feel better, lol

Some nights I don't feel like training but I just go anyway out of routine/guilt. If I'm really not up to it my body will tell me... and I am speaking as someone who has trained with pneumonia for a week, currently lifting with a torn/strained lat/triceps and have a high pain threshold. I think some of this behaviour is motivated by the guilt that not working unless you're dead is being lazy.

PS. Who did you stab 1000 times? 

[devilsmile]

Some nights I don't feel like training but I just go anyway out of routine/guilt. If I'm really not up to it my body will tell me... and I am speaking as someone who has trained with pneumonia for a week, currently lifting with a torn/strained lat/triceps and have a high pain threshold. I think some of this behaviour is motivated by the guilt that not working unless you're dead is being lazy.

PS. Who did you stab 1000 times? 

lol, "not feeling like working out some nights".. it's much more deep than that with me but forget it

I didn't say I stabbed, I said I could stab 

[Lustral]

lol, "not feeling like working out some nights".. it's much more deep than that with me but forget it

I didn't say I stabbed, I said I could stab 

If you are asking the more existential "is this shit really worth it" or "what's the fucking point" question I do know what you mean... Then routine kicks in and I end up at gym door no matter how shitty, unmotivated or sick I feel.

I'm a creature of habit and gym consistency is something I feel keeps me on the straight and narrow -  and if I take days off I'm a lazy shit and will revert to going wild. Subconsciously.

[devilsmile]

If you are asking the more existential "is this shit really worth it" or "what's the fucking point" question I do know what you mean... Then routine kicks in and I end up at gym door no matter how shitty, unmotivated or sick I feel.

I'm a creature of habit and gym consistency is something I feel keeps me on the straight and narrow -  and if I take days off I'm a lazy shit and will revert to going wild. Subconsciously.

Me too. If I don't train I feel miserable.

If I'm happy with my training nothing annoys me but liberals at that point. Not even family dinners during christmas annoy me if I hada brilliant leg training before it, I'm the loudest and happiest in the table. But if I haven't trained and there's a family dinner, I spread apathy and misery and people avoid me because I make them feel extremely uncomfortable

[Lustral]

Me too. If I don't train I feel miserable.

My way around that is to plan days off by being busy or having good excuses not to train. Take yesterday. I normally train friday but gf had operation. I cancelled all work and planned on no gym even though she should have been ok by 5pm... well operation was late she was not well so i could say "day off you dick she comes first". Trained today (normal off day) cos son is away with boy scouts and my parents were here if anything was off with gf.

If she was unwell id have taken day off no problem. Otherwise i ignore bruised lat/tris (still) and do what i can and moved more work to tomorrow... fuck have a lot of work piled up.

[devilsmile]

My way around that is to plan days off by being busy or having good excuses not to train. Take yesterday. I normally train friday but gf had operation. I cancelled all work and planned on no gym even though she should have been ok by 5pm... well operation was late she was not well so i could say "day off you dick she comes first". Trained today (normal off day) cos son is away with boy scouts and my parents were here if anything was off with gf.

If she was unwell id have taken day off no problem. Otherwise i ignore bruised lat/tris (still) and do what i can and moved more work to tomorrow... fuck have a lot of work piled up.

Yeah being busy in the off days helps, especially if you feel terrible for not training. But I did say I knw what I have to do, I just wanted to whine like a bitch a little

[cephissus]

housework or binge eating on off days

yes, i'm screwed 

 

[Ropo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KO23tDSFNSs

This dude explains that its bullshit. I kinda like his story telling style too, kept me interested

Either way, cyclists got huge quads, construction workers got huge forearms, gymnasts huge triceps...all from daily work. I think the oonce a week method for a natty or semi enhanced lifter is absolute bull and just a way to sell more fat burner supps and protein fart powder to kids

And then little visit in the reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining

Physiology
A number of possible mechanisms for overtraining have been proposed:

- Microtrauma to the muscles are created faster than the body can heal them.
- Amino acids are used up faster than they are supplied in the diet. This is sometimes called "protein deficiency".
- The body becomes calorie-deficient and the rate of break down of muscle tissue increases.
- Levels of cortisol (the "stress" hormone) are elevated for long periods of time.
- The body spends more time in a catabolic state than an anabolic state (perhaps as a result of elevated cortisol levels).
- Excessive strain to the nervous system during training.
- Systemic Inflammation which results in the release of cytokines activating an immune response

[Thong Maniac]

And then little visit in the reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining

Physiology
A number of possible mechanisms for overtraining have been proposed:

- Microtrauma to the muscles are created faster than the body can heal them.
- Amino acids are used up faster than they are supplied in the diet. This is sometimes called "protein deficiency".
- The body becomes calorie-deficient and the rate of break down of muscle tissue increases.
- Levels of cortisol (the "stress" hormone) are elevated for long periods of time.
- The body spends more time in a catabolic state than an anabolic state (perhaps as a result of elevated cortisol levels).
- Excessive strain to the nervous system during training.
- Systemic Inflammation which results in the release of cytokines activating an immune response

Lol wut? What did this prove?

Work out more for better gains, especially if you dont have genetics that allow frequent growth.

Most of those points can be countered. Also, what definition of overtraining is the author using to make those points? Overtraining is subjective. Its a mythical beast, only seen by bodybuilders who work out a whopping 45 minutes a day and eat a glutenous 4000 cals per day. Fuckin brutal, navymikes personal hell. Is amazing more BBers dont die from malnourishment and fatigue

[PJim]

And then little visit in the reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining

Physiology
A number of possible mechanisms for overtraining have been proposed:

- Microtrauma to the muscles are created faster than the body can heal them.
- Amino acids are used up faster than they are supplied in the diet. This is sometimes called "protein deficiency".
- The body becomes calorie-deficient and the rate of break down of muscle tissue increases.
- Levels of cortisol (the "stress" hormone) are elevated for long periods of time.
- The body spends more time in a catabolic state than an anabolic state (perhaps as a result of elevated cortisol levels).
- Excessive strain to the nervous system during training.
- Systemic Inflammation which results in the release of cytokines activating an immune response

Don't talk sense to them, you'll make their heads implode.

Another thing people are failing to mention is gear usage. It's far easier to overtrain whilst drug-free. Depending on dosage, one might recover at double, triple or ten times the normal rate (obviously individual genetics factored in).

People have this idea that overtraining is some guy absolutely fucked and burnt-out. It also includes performing any more exercise than required to elicit the body's growth mechanism. This is where the accumulation of slightly too much exercise performed over time can lead to not-so-noticeable overtraining.

At the end of the day, it's about letting the body play catch-up and remembering that you are looking to stimulate a positive response with as little work as possible. It's not laziness, it's understanding that the body heals whilst at rest. Cue Vince Basile attempting to explain that a muscle only grows if trained whilst hanging off the bone.

[Tapeworm]

Some confusion in this thread.  An injury is an injury, no question.

Yes, of course it's possible to overtrain and you psychos are just the sort to do it.  But the question is whether to LOL @ it and the correct answer is usually yes.  On the whole, people are capable of more than they think and the last thing they need is 'science' telling them to spend more time on their butt. 

1 or 2 workouts a week?  Come on.  I'm a casual/hobby/LLS lifter and do more than that.

[Ropo]

Some confusion in this thread.  An injury is an injury, no question.

Yes, of course it's possible to overtrain and you psychos are just the sort to do it.  But the question is whether to LOL @ it and the correct answer is usually yes.  On the whole, people are capable of more than they think and the last thing they need is 'science' telling them to spend more time on their butt. 

1 or 2 workouts a week?  Come on.  I'm a casual/hobby/LLS lifter and do more than that.

Well, just LOL @ it then. There were this guy in my gym, star training again at his 40's with PT, training 5 days a week, low body fat, lot of aerobics on the side. He start training about four years ago, gaining mass quite nicely as natural, but towards the end, he seem to be kind of burning out at last few months. Then he got a heart attack, now he is gone. If this is another end of the line, and you are "LOL @ it" at the other end of the line, there is lot of crap you doesn't want to find out by experience between those two ends of the line  

If we simplify this matter to the level that morons and idiots would understand, here is what it is all about: While you are training, you are burning away old muscle mass and building new one. While you are doing that, your metabolism try to clean that crap + what you eat + what you drink + what you inhale + drugs what you use  + supplements and all other crap from your circulation by your liver, your kidneys etc. If you are natural and training 1 to 3 times per week, your metabolism can accomplish that task, but if you are training more, the task gets harder. If your metabolism cannot clean your system before next training session, that crap start to accumulate, which leads to crash at some point. This point depends your genetics, your health, your stress level and the gear you use. It doesn't happen every one and all the time, but those lucky ones who are facing these symptoms, it could be quite harsh experience. In bad cases they talk about the years of recovery, but there is also cases like that guy at my gym. So in my point of view, taking some pause once per 8 weeks isn't as big problem, as being a stupid and taking pause of few months if the shit hit the fan  

[Tha Grim Lifter]

Well, just LOL @ it then. There were this guy in my gym, star training again at his 40's with PT, training 5 days a week, low body fat, lot of aerobics on the side. He start training about four years ago, gaining mass quite nicely as natural, but towards the end, he seem to be kind of burning out at last few months. Then he got a heart attack, now he is gone. If this is another end of the line, and you are "LOL @ it" at the other end of the line, there is lot of crap you doesn't want to find out by experience between those two ends of the line  

If we simplify this matter to the level that morons and idiots would understand, here is what it is all about: While you are training, you are burning away old muscle mass and building new one. While you are doing that, your metabolism try to clean that crap + what you eat + what you drink + what you inhale + drugs what you use  + supplements and all other crap from your circulation by your liver, your kidneys etc. If you are natural and training 1 to 3 times per week, your metabolism can accomplish that task, but if you are training more, the task gets harder. If your metabolism cannot clean your system before next training session, that crap start to accumulate, which leads to crash at some point. This point depends your genetics, your health, your stress level and the gear you use. It doesn't happen every one and all the time, but those lucky ones who are facing these symptoms, it could be quite harsh experience. In bad cases they talk about the years of recovery, but there is also cases like that guy at my gym. So in my point of view, taking some pause once per 8 weeks isn't as big problem, as being a stupid and taking pause of few months if the shit hit the fan  

The nervous system will give out that's what matters more. It needs 10 days to recover if totally overtrained. Taking a rest to let it recover is fine. It won't burn out much when you start training but with higher intensity yes. As for the guy in your story you have no idea what else he was doing like pre workout stimulants and if he was going 5 days a week every week at a decent intensity then yes he will burn out and need time off. Intensity the first year isn't at a level to stress the nervous system enough.

[Thin Lizzy]

Some confusion in this thread.  An injury is an injury, no question.

Yes, of course it's possible to overtrain and you psychos are just the sort to do it.  But the question is whether to LOL @ it and the correct answer is usually yes.  On the whole, people are capable of more than they think and the last thing they need is 'science' telling them to spend more time on their butt. 

1 or 2 workouts a week?  Come on.  I'm a casual/hobby/LLS lifter and do more than that.

I run about 10 miles a week. Could I do more? Certainly, but, that's not the issue. It's whether doing more will do me any good. I don't think so.

[Yamcha]

I run about 10 miles a week. Could I do more? Certainly, but, that's not the issue. It's whether doing more will do me any good. I don't think so.

Nice. Good statement