TRT??!

[Europe]

My father is coming of age.. he's 65yrs old.

Since it's much harder to get TRT here in Sweden, I wonder what would you recommend?

He's 65yrs old, normal build, has normal blood levels, some asthma, gout.

He just wants to get healthier by training boxing and some pumping iron, his diet is normal and he eats lots of vegetables.

Any suggestions/recommendations would be gladly appreciated.

Yours truly, Europe

[falco]

Recomended testosterone replacement therapy is one testoviron depot or spanish testex elmu prolongatum every 2-3 weeks.

[Europe]

Recomended testosterone replacement therapy is one testoviron depot or spanish testex elmu prolongatum every 2-3 weeks.

Thanks for answer, but why can't just take let's say Dbol or Anavar with a combination of Nolvadex?

sorry for my ignorance, since I'm totally a newbie on steroids(100% natural athletic twink).

I've looked Testoviron Depot and spanish testex but can't find any local e-shop that are selling those..

[falco]

They are sold in pharmacies down the corner. Anavar is a experimental drug for AIDS patients and dianabol was used for depression in Romania. They are not testosterone.

[Jizmo]

Recomended testosterone replacement therapy is one testoviron depot or spanish testex elmu prolongatum every 2-3 weeks.

horrible protocol.
just because its recommended by doctors that doesnt mean its good

look up the half life of testosterone enanthate in vitro and you know why.

test E needs once per week injections AT LEAST. any less is 1. unhealthy due to hormone rollercoaster and 2. is asking for more side effects (with the same total dosage)

[Mad-scientist]

Black cherry extract will get rid of the gout. I had a family member get on it and now it's gone. I worked at a supplement  store and many other people got rid of the gout with black cherry extract.

[ritch]

LOL@taking dbal. I'm 39 and can barely tolerate it, lol!

But cool your dad is open to it as mine isn't. Just test, probably an AI to keep estro in check for him.

Hell, get him on creatine for now and, whey and zma.

BEAST MODE!

[illuminati]

What can you get in Sweden..?

[Europe]

What can you get in Sweden..?

Almost anything through e-shop except test-gel/patches, doctors are very strict here. They rather prolong the disease/malfunction of your body just to make sure. Healthcare is cheap but ineffective in many ways.

Thanks for all answers, this is why I love Getbig brothers helping eachothers. Any more advice is greatly appreciated.

[Europe]

horrible protocol.
just because its recommended by doctors that doesnt mean its good

look up the half life of testosterone enanthate in vitro and you know why.

test E needs once per week injections AT LEAST. any less is 1. unhealthy due to hormone rollercoaster and 2. is asking for more side effects (with the same total dosage)

Is this treatment for life or just periodical for life?

[Jizmo]

Is this treatment for life or just periodical for life?

having test levels in the optimal range is much healthier than having too low a level (too high is dangerous too ofc).
most men have test levels that are too low from age 40-50 onwards.
 
TRT is a life commitment and it definitely is healthy, if you use the correct dosage (around 100-150mg a week, at the age of ~60 id recommend the lower end) and supervise your health markers by getting bloodwork done regularly.

[theworm]

having test levels in the optimal range is much healthier than having too low a level (too high is dangerous too ofc).
most men have test levels that are too low from age 40-50 onwards.
 
TRT is a life commitment and it definitely is healthy, if you use the correct dosage (around 100-150mg a week, at the age of ~60 id recommend the lower end) and supervise your health markers by getting bloodwork done regularly.

So you are saying it doesn't at all increase risk of cardiovascular disease and prostate cancer?

I think that's not proven yet from my research

[Jizmo]

So you are saying it doesn't at all increase risk of cardiovascular disease and prostate cancer?

I think that's not proven yet from my research

im not as well informed on studies regarding TRT as i am on AAS abuse lol ...
BUT
low testosterone increases the chance of a multitude of cardiovascular and other diseases (i dont think ill need to post studies here)
just like high testosterone (neither here)

so yeah having a normal testosterone level will most likely increase life expectation and especially life quality. at least i would assume that.
its important to stay in the optimal range though, thats why i mentioned regular bloodwork

another problem is the every two (or even four) weeks injection protocol with test E or cyp that many doctors still recommend ... depending on the dosage you essentially have a test level that is way too high for the first couple days, then a level that is way too low for the remaining days until the next injection.
this certainly is NOT healthy nor does it mitigate side effects.
its just plain stupid. any doctor should at least have a basic understanding of half lives and the side effects of hormone fluctuations.

[theworm]

See there's the issue.it is not proven anywhere that low test causes health problems per se


What the research shows is that people who are overweight and unhealthy have low test .... These people are also at risk of cardiovascular diseases.   Hence low test is "associated with" obesity, cardiovascular disease.  I don't think it's low test that causes them directly.   

I have not found any evidence of that... Only these lose associations

[local hero]

Its a bit of a cun.t when women can walk into any doctors surgery in the UK and get hrt to improve quality of life, but us men just have to lump it, unless you have a very progressive doctor which is very unlikely

I've known steroid users who've came off with drastic levels and they simply wont help them out,... It is making me question my future use, as I can still train and fuck while clean..what would happen if the uk clamped down on gear and it became an issue obtaining gear, as you wouldn't get it from the docs

I think the uk is just a few sob stories away from harsh steroid laws, anyone with a professional job would be jeopardising there careers.

[theworm]

Its a bit of a cun.t when women can walk into any doctors surgery in the UK and get hrt to improve quality of life, but us men just have to lump it, unless you have a very progressive doctor which is very unlikely

I've known steroid users who've came off with drastic levels and they simply wont help them out,... It is making me question my future use, as I can still train and fuck while clean..what would happen if the uk clamped down on gear and it became an issue obtaining gear, as you wouldn't get it from the docs

I think the uk is just a few sob stories away from harsh steroid laws, anyone with a professional job would be jeopardising there careers.

Move to the U.S. , they give it out like candy

Big biz

[Primemuscle]

Thanks for answer, but why can't just take let's say Dbol or Anavar with a combination of Nolvadex?

sorry for my ignorance, since I'm totally a newbie on steroids(100% natural athletic twink).

I've looked Testoviron Depot and spanish testex but can't find any local e-shop that are selling those..

Probably because not all steroids work the same way. TRT is known to keep folks healthier, and improve their mood in modest doses. It's a shame that some countries and some doctors aren't on board with this. It is not clear why this is. Do they think some senior on a little testosterone is going to develop roid rage?

[Mad-scientist]

When the op says his dads blood levels are in range I don't know if he is talking about testosterone levels or not. If his dads testosterone levels are normal there is no need for early trt treatment. If he gets his dad on trt I would recomend trying to get his levels around 600 to 700 at the highest for his age. He might be able to control estrogen at that dose with the supplement DIM I know a guy who does that. Arimidex isn't good for lipids so if a AI in general can be avoided it will help to keep him healthy. But high estrogen levels are pretty bad for you it can cause a lot of problems to happen and effect the heart and prostate. So if an AI is needed it should be used obviously. It does seem to me though the older some one is the more likely testosterone is to agrivate already existing problems that he could have and doesnt know about. At the end of the day I would say if his levels are below 450ng/dl and he feels like shit he should try out trt, but if he feels fine with the levels he has right now it would probably be best to just not go on TRT. The human body isn't really meant to have the testosterone levels of a 18 year old for life and it can cause problems in certain individuals who already have problems that can be agrivated by higher testosterone levels.

[Primemuscle]

When the op says his dads blood levels are in range I don't know if he is talking about testosterone levels or not. If his dads testosterone levels are normal there is no need for early trt treatment. If he gets his dad on trt I would recomend trying to get his levels around 600 to 700 at the highest for his age. He might be able to control estrogen at that dose with the supplement DIM I know a guy who does that. Arimidex isn't good for lipids so if a AI in general can be avoided it will help to keep him healthy. But high estrogen levels are pretty bad for you it can cause a lot of problems to happen and effect the heart and prostate. So if an AI is needed it should be used obviously. It does seem to me though the older some one is the more likely testosterone is to agrivate already existing problems that he could have and doesnt know about. At the end of the day I would say if his levels are below 450ng/dl and he feels like shit he should try out trt, but if he feels fine with the levels he has right now it would probably be best to just not go on TRT. The human body isn't really meant to have the testosterone levels of a 18 year old for life and it can cause problems in certain individuals who already have problems that can be agrivated by higher testosterone levels.

You may be right. Logically though, this doesn't make much sense. What makes sense to me is having numbers as good as you had when you were young, providing it was good. Mine probably weren't because I had hypogonadism as a result of losing a testicle to the mumps at 14 years old. I've been on and off test though out my life, always with a doctor's prescription.

My doc currently has me on 300 mg a week (1.5 units). I feel good. On the other hand, I don't have to worry about problems with my prostate these days, since I had a prostatectomy a few years back. Had it not been for being on TRT the cancer may not have been discovered to early on. My PSA #'s indicate that the testosterone is not having any negative effect. It is "undetectable" which is better than it was most of my adult life. I've had prostate issues since my late teens and now I have none.

[AbrahamG]

You may be right. Logically though, this doesn't make much sense. What makes sense to me is having numbers as good as you had when you were young, providing it was good. Mine probably weren't because I had hypogonadism as a result of losing a testicle to the mumps at 14 years old. I've been on and off test though out my life, always with a doctor's prescription.

My doc currently has me on 300 mg a week (1.5 units). I feel good. On the other hand, I don't have to worry about problems with my prostate these days, since I had a prostatectomy a few years back. Had it not been for being on TRT the cancer may not have been discovered to early on. My PSA #'s indicate that the testosterone is not having any negative effect. It is "undetectable" which is better than it was most of my adult life. I've had prostate issues since my late teens and now I have none.

Your doctor is bad ass.  300mg per week is a cycle for a dude your age.  Referral?

[Primemuscle]

Your doctor is bad ass.  300mg per week is a cycle for a dude your age.  Referral?

I live in the Portland Metro area of Oregon which is were my urologist has his practice. Does this work for you?

[AbrahamG]

I live in the Portland Metro area of Oregon which is were my urologist has his practice. Does this work for you?

It will when I retire, say in 25-30 years. LOL.

[Mad-scientist]

I live in the Portland Metro area of Oregon which is were my urologist has his practice. Does this work for you?

Lol I live in that area to my doc has me on 300mgs every 2 weeks though. Your doctor is hooking you up big time. Do you think your a special case or would he do that for other patients to?

[Mad-scientist]

What total testosterone levels do you get with a dosage like that?