Editorial: Denial not an option when it comes to terrorism

[headhuntersix]

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/editorials/2015/12/editorial_denial_not_an_option_when_it_comes_to_terrorism

I'd sure as fuck like to know......

This is no rush to judgment on the San Bernardino massacre — not when 12 pipe bombs are found in the home of the two now-dead killers, along with three pipe bombs wired to a remote control device, hundreds of bomb-making tools in their garage, and thousands of rounds of ammunition in their car following their slaughter of 14 innocent human beings.

Workplace violence? Really? Is that some kind of sick joke?

Surely President Obama knew about most of that when he went on national TV from the Oval Office yesterday and said, “It is possible this is terrorist related ... We don’t know. It is also possible it was workplace related.”

Yes, life is complicated. But the more complicated it gets the more the American people are entitled to straight answers from the commander in chief, not more pap from a man who is apparently so blinded by his political agenda that he will use every opportunity to advance it.

Before the bodies were even identified Wednesday night, before they could even be removed from the scene, the president said, “The one thing we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world, and there’s some steps we could take, not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don’t happen as frequently.”

Apparently the man has a short memory — or did Paris not count.

He, of course, wasn’t the only one to rush to make the it’s-all-about-guns argument. U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein also put out a press release even as victims were still being triaged.

This isn’t an argument against better gun control laws and better records checks — far from it. It is an argument against taking the easy way out — which this president will do at every opportunity.

Don’t blame Islamic terrorism when there are any other options — find another reason, however remote, for the willful act of a couple who turned their home into a bomb-making factory, dropped off their 6-month-old child with relatives, slaughtered 14 people and wounded 21 more at a department party and then returned home to do what?

[headhuntersix]

I want to know from the Obama defenders why he will not say its terrorism...why..simple question. This was not work place violence....there has never been work place violence involving muslims. This was a work place...sure..the guy worked there..but he was muslim, radical and building IEDs and stockpilling weapons. It was a terror attack. He may have jumped the gun but he made his point..with his bride..who we're not supposed to be afraid of. Except he was driving and she was shooting..and she radicalized him. So anyway....why won't Obama say it. The FBI can't cover everybody. Shit happens. Perfect excuse for him to back track on the refugee's...put the mess behind him and do the right thing. But nope..he doubles down and says we're safe. Folks we are not safe. When police commanders across the country are asking CCL holders to please carry...off duty cops to please carry, there is a huge issue. The war is coming here. The next step is to get trained jihadi's into the country to link up with our own radicalized population. They're build VBIEDS, IEDS..vests...plan complex attacks and set these people off. Just wait.

[OzmO]

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/editorials/2015/12/editorial_denial_not_an_option_when_it_comes_to_terrorism

I'd sure as fuck like to know......

This is no rush to judgment on the San Bernardino massacre — not when 12 pipe bombs are found in the home of the two now-dead killers, along with three pipe bombs wired to a remote control device, hundreds of bomb-making tools in their garage, and thousands of rounds of ammunition in their car following their slaughter of 14 innocent human beings.

Workplace violence? Really? Is that some kind of sick joke?

Surely President Obama knew about most of that when he went on national TV from the Oval Office yesterday and said, “It is possible this is terrorist related ... We don’t know. It is also possible it was workplace related.”

Yes, life is complicated. But the more complicated it gets the more the American people are entitled to straight answers from the commander in chief, not more pap from a man who is apparently so blinded by his political agenda that he will use every opportunity to advance it.

Before the bodies were even identified Wednesday night, before they could even be removed from the scene, the president said, “The one thing we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world, and there’s some steps we could take, not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don’t happen as frequently.”

Apparently the man has a short memory — or did Paris not count.

He, of course, wasn’t the only one to rush to make the it’s-all-about-guns argument. U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein also put out a press release even as victims were still being triaged.

This isn’t an argument against better gun control laws and better records checks — far from it. It is an argument against taking the easy way out — which this president will do at every opportunity.

Don’t blame Islamic terrorism when there are any other options — find another reason, however remote, for the willful act of a couple who turned their home into a bomb-making factory, dropped off their 6-month-old child with relatives, slaughtered 14 people and wounded 21 more at a department party and then returned home to do what?

I think i understand it.  or suspect anyway, that they will try to make it NOT terrorism because to concede that attacks like these are terrorism will open the door for a push for restriction, termination or suspension of our freedoms.   

[headhuntersix]

Ahhhh no...well.....sure restrict muslims from entiring the country...ensure FBI resources are aimed where they are needed. Ensure counter terroism efforts target them and aren't wasted on gloabl warming or other bullshit...name the enemy..stop the enemy.


When we talk about the First Amendment we [must] make it clear that actions predicated on violent talk are not American," said Lynch. "They are not who we are, they are not what we do, and they will be prosecuted."
 
"My message not just to the Muslim community but to all Americans is ‘We cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on,'" said Lynch.
 
It is painfully clear that, like her predecessor Eric Holder, Lynch is far more concerned with promoting the social justice agenda than protecting the Constitutional rights of American citizens. What exactly is speech that "edges toward violence"? What exactly are "actions predicated on violent talk"? In the end, it is whatever she decides it to mean.
 

 
UPDATE: Loretta Lynch, at a press conference yesterday, termed the San Bernardino shootings a "wonderful opportunity" to change the nature of police work:
 

We’re at the point where these issues have come together really like never before in law enforcement thought and in our nation’s history and it gives us a wonderful opportunity and a wonderful moment to really make significant change.

[OzmO]

Just targeting Muslims with these restrictions won't fly in our country, too many laws of equality, plus the people of this country won't stand for it. (of course the ignorant rednecks would) and it won't stop people from being radicalized if they are susceptible to it.

What can happen is email servers are forced to decrypt for the government.  Greater power for search and seizure.  More intense screening at travel points.  Higher screening public venues and public buildings.

A huge cost, a huge hassle for law abiding people.

Its a dangerous path that's looking to be unavoidable. 

[headhuntersix]

Its the world we live in....it sucks. It goes against the Constitution. They already target mosques, the LA counter terrorism task force spends all day going after these guys but they're a finite resource. The NYPD Intell dudes..scary group..thats all they do. This is a tough question but what you don't do is allow more in..people who will get far far less vetting then even Mrs jihadi did.

[240 is Back]

it's not a hate crime, as some valium abusing zealots claim.

it's a terrorist act, as the FBI just announced on MSNBC.

[iwantmass]

it's not a hate crime, as some valium abusing zealots claim.

it's a terrorist act, as the FBI just announced on MSNBC.

It's both

[JOHN MATRIX]

great article.

Obama is the most out of touch and anti-American president in American history...he will be remembered as a dark smear on American history

[OzmO]

great article.

Obama is the most out of touch and anti-American president in American history...he will be remembered as a dark smear on American history

Probably not.  He wasn't a disaster in most people's eyes.  He also wasn't exceptional in most people's eyes.  He will be remember as average, one who was hated on many levels by many on the right and worshiped on many levels by many on the left.  In both cases rational thinking goes out the window.

[headhuntersix]

Probably not.  He wasn't a disaster in most people's eyes.  He also wasn't exceptional in most people's eyes.  He will be remember as average, one who was hated on many levels by many on the right and worshiped on many levels by many on the left.  In both cases rational thinking goes out the window.

We're getting ready to get hit hard....he's in trouble here man...didn't do a thing and day after day he digs himself deeper with idiotic statements.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Probably not.  He wasn't a disaster in most people's eyes.  He also wasn't exceptional in most people's eyes.  He will be remember as average, one who was hated on many levels by many on the right and worshiped on many levels by many on the left.  In both cases rational thinking goes out the window.

in the long term he will be. a long ways into the future historians will look at his terms and say this is when things really hit a low/America lost its way...and either was a turning point that led to things turning around(if American restores itself and continues to exist for generations more), or was the beginning of the end of the America experiment (if American has  become a relic of the past by that point)