Jizmo, question about you

[Thong Maniac]

Ok I was reading this saga you posted and I gotta ask, when your a young guy like yourself and your draining puss out of your deltoid in the bathroom p, did you ever think about "why the fuck am I doing all of this?". What is your job, how do you make money? Do you have a lot of free time to mess around with endless protocols regarding gear use? Girlfriend/family interactions about your gear use? Any real social life or other non bodybuilding hobbies? I'm not hating at all, more just curious how a young man has this much time and money and interest in gear use. Thanks man, for real...just curious. Thanks


"okay, this is gonna be long...
i honestly i believe oil volume has absolutely zero to do with scarring...
think about it... its not like oil is a solid substance that spreads your muscle fibers from the inside causing damage.

oil disperses in between muscle fibers and strings... i know if i shoot 5ml that the oil is gonna disperse throughout 5-10 inches from the injected spot...

imo scarring is about
-needle size (i shoot with 25G max and im DEAD SET that people shooting with 23G or bigger needles WILL regret that)
-number of injections / frequency (dont shoot same area too often)
-gear quality (youll scar up like crazy if you shoot high concentration gear often)

additionally doctors USUALLY have zero clue about bodybuilders...
its medical practise not to inject more than ONE ml into delts etc too.. docs are told 1ml is too much for a deltoid to hold LOL.
for normal individuals with zero muscle mass that might hold true, but i can easily put 10 mls into one delt. done that before...

also think about the crazy synthol protocols... i know some guys that put over 50mls per week into each delt... for weeks on end...
they get scar tissue / inflammation buildup after a few weeks but if you stop it goes back down...  Wink

you can do A LOT more to your body than youd actually think  Undecided  i know from experience

story time...
back in the day i cut down on oil volume in favor of high concentration gear because i had the same thinking. i thought 5ml low concentrated gear would probably cause more damage than 2ml high concentrated gear... i got abscesses regularly in my delts and was limping half the time because of PIP in quads and glutes...

i had to drain abscesses from my delts a couple times because i shot 2mls of test400/npp200 or whatever the fuck inside of there...
inject the same spot a week later and boom there you had an abscess...
i once drained 30ml of pus from my delt because i injected 2mls of high concentration gear there with just 4 days in between.
you wouldnt believe how much SHIT came out of there... at one point i had 3 needles stuck in my delt and was squeezing the ooze out of there like greg valentino.
from just 2x2mls of high concentrated gear...
nowadays i can put 5 or 6mls of low concentration gear into the same delt 2 or even 3 times a week and NEVER have a reaction like that...

i sometimes shoot 30 or 40 mls a week for an amount of gear that i would get with 7-8mls a week back in the day...
and now im perfectly fine, while i was completely miserable years ago from the retarded gear concentrations...

you can shoot A TON of oil into your body. what causes damage is high concentrated gear and solvents, not the oil "

[herraisland]

Ok I was reading this saga you posted and I gotta ask, when your a young guy like yourself and your draining puss out of your deltoid in the bathroom p, did you ever think about "why the fuck am I doing all of this?". What is your job, how do you make money? Do you have a lot of free time to mess around with endless protocols regarding gear use? Girlfriend/family interactions about your gear use? Any real social life or other non bodybuilding hobbies? I'm not hating at all, more just curious how a young man has this much time and money and interest in gear use. Thanks man, for real...just curious. Thanks


"okay, this is gonna be long...
i honestly i believe oil volume has absolutely zero to do with scarring...
think about it... its not like oil is a solid substance that spreads your muscle fibers from the inside causing damage.

oil disperses in between muscle fibers and strings... i know if i shoot 5ml that the oil is gonna disperse throughout 5-10 inches from the injected spot...

imo scarring is about
-needle size (i shoot with 25G max and im DEAD SET that people shooting with 23G or bigger needles WILL regret that)
-number of injections / frequency (dont shoot same area too often)
-gear quality (youll scar up like crazy if you shoot high concentration gear often)

additionally doctors USUALLY have zero clue about bodybuilders...
its medical practise not to inject more than ONE ml into delts etc too.. docs are told 1ml is too much for a deltoid to hold LOL.
for normal individuals with zero muscle mass that might hold true, but i can easily put 10 mls into one delt. done that before...

also think about the crazy synthol protocols... i know some guys that put over 50mls per week into each delt... for weeks on end...
they get scar tissue / inflammation buildup after a few weeks but if you stop it goes back down...  Wink

you can do A LOT more to your body than youd actually think  Undecided  i know from experience

story time...
back in the day i cut down on oil volume in favor of high concentration gear because i had the same thinking. i thought 5ml low concentrated gear would probably cause more damage than 2ml high concentrated gear... i got abscesses regularly in my delts and was limping half the time because of PIP in quads and glutes...

i had to drain abscesses from my delts a couple times because i shot 2mls of test400/npp200 or whatever the fuck inside of there...
inject the same spot a week later and boom there you had an abscess...
i once drained 30ml of pus from my delt because i injected 2mls of high concentration gear there with just 4 days in between.
you wouldnt believe how much SHIT came out of there... at one point i had 3 needles stuck in my delt and was squeezing the ooze out of there like greg valentino.
from just 2x2mls of high concentrated gear...
nowadays i can put 5 or 6mls of low concentration gear into the same delt 2 or even 3 times a week and NEVER have a reaction like that...

i sometimes shoot 30 or 40 mls a week for an amount of gear that i would get with 7-8mls a week back in the day...
and now im perfectly fine, while i was completely miserable years ago from the retarded gear concentrations...

you can shoot A TON of oil into your body. what causes damage is high concentrated gear and solvents, not the oil "

poor Jizmo has to read all of this.... i wouldnt wanna be Jizmo

[Disco187]

this is just my thought as this is not directed towards me but i felt like i wanted to chime in.

Ive had 3 monster abcess two which turned into infections from me being stubborn and not going to doctor
and the third i drained myself.  The two trips to the hospital caused me tremendous pain and suffering,

Do I still use gear??? Yes i do and i am in my 30s.  Ive had the hot wife the house the cars the toys the clothing the money etc etc, but my point is. Bodybuilding keeps me stable.  its the whole routine of the diet the discipline to get good night sleeps the training instead of a thursday or friday night happy hour.  Marriage life was not for me, at this age i just dont see a point in it, i have been divorced for a long time now. Gear gives me confidence in many ways i walk taller feel better have more confidence preform at my job better and get plenty of complimants all the time. Call me shallow, but hearing things like that is nice.
IN the past i suffered from depression and heavy rec drug use, been clean for a long time now and yes now my vice is the sauce but if thats how it has to be so be it, Sauce has not effected my life in any negative way at all as far as when i started to the present time.  Everyone has different views on whats important and how they want to feel or look. Maybe im a little self centered but no lie i have a top notch  girlfriend and pretty much nobody ever tries to fuck with me and I like it.

[Jizmo]

poor Jizmo has to read all of this.... i wouldnt wanna be Jizmo

the stuff below the first paragraph is something i wrote in another thread

Ok I was reading this saga you posted and I gotta ask, when your a young guy like yourself and your draining puss out of your deltoid in the bathroom p, did you ever think about "why the fuck am I doing all of this?". What is your job, how do you make money? Do you have a lot of free time to mess around with endless protocols regarding gear use? Girlfriend/family interactions about your gear use? Any real social life or other non bodybuilding hobbies? I'm not hating at all, more just curious how a young man has this much time and money and interest in gear use. Thanks man, for real...just curious. Thanks

...

honestly answer? i do it because i love it.
bodybuilding makes me content. it gives me something to thrive for.
i can set myself goals, and if i put in a lot of effort i know i will achieve them.
bodybuilding has given me more than any other hobby, any other occupation, anything else in the world has given me.
it has also taught me a lot. about myself and about other people too.

im a student. i do have a lot of free time because my study subjects come pretty easy to me and i would probably pass most exams without even moving a finger.
bodybuilding is something i do in my free time. im not sitting in a basement all day pondering about AAS protocols lol
its just a topic that interests me so i spend a lot of time reading on it.
only my closest friends that i 100% trust know about my gear use. family too. ofc they are not supportive but they must accept that im well versed on the topic and know my shit.

my last relationship with a "normal" woman who had nothing to do with the lifestyle broke... because of bodybuilding.
if it wasnt for that i would have married that girl. 100% serious.
but in the end it was her or my hobby; my lifestyle; my character.

guess what, im still putting the tren into my asscheek  

im currently dating a girl whos a personal trainer. as someone who is as deeply involved in that lifestyle you NEED someone who understands you, is interested in the same stuff and is just as experimental  

a normal social life? of course most of my buddys work out. but thats mainly because nearly EVERYONE at my age works out, at least here and there.
 i have friends outside the gym too, at the university and in my hometown.
id consider myself someone with a healthy social life. of course i dont party much anymore, but ive had my fair share of that when i was younger.  it didnt give me anything. apart from hangovers.
i dont miss a second of that. of course on occasions such as new years eve (today), birthday or when some famous DJ is in town i do go clubbing and get drunk too. otherwise i dont go to clubs much.
i cant identify myself with guys my age who have NOTHING in their life apart from getting drunk. its pointless.
id rather hit bars, restaurants with good friends, yeah.
i dont restrict myself there for some retarded anabolic window LOL


and the financial part, well. i spend twice as much money on food than on "supps" and supps.
i spend less money on AAS/peps/supps per month than a heavy smoker spends on cigarettes. completely serious here.

most important part is that im happy.
if i wasnt, i wouldnt do this.

[Thong Maniac]

this is just my thought as this is not directed towards me but i felt like i wanted to chime in.

Ive had 3 monster abcess two which turned into infections from me being stubborn and not going to doctor
and the third i drained myself.  The two trips to the hospital caused me tremendous pain and suffering,

Do I still use gear??? Yes i do and i am in my 30s.  Ive had the hot wife the house the cars the toys the clothing the money etc etc, but my point is. Bodybuilding keeps me stable.  its the whole routine of the diet the discipline to get good night sleeps the training instead of a thursday or friday night happy hour.  Marriage life was not for me, at this age i just dont see a point in it, i have been divorced for a long time now. Gear gives me confidence in many ways i walk taller feel better have more confidence preform at my job better and get plenty of complimants all the time. Call me shallow, but hearing things like that is nice.
IN the past i suffered from depression and heavy rec drug use, been clean for a long time now and yes now my vice is the sauce but if thats how it has to be so be it, Sauce has not effected my life in any negative way at all as far as when i started to the present time.  Everyone has different views on whats important and how they want to feel or look. Maybe im a little self centered but no lie i have a top notch  girlfriend and pretty much nobody ever tries to fuck with me and I like it.

Thanks for chiming in. I'm in my 30s, and have all of what you mentioned. More than most my age could ever want, but I'm not sure if I'm happy. Wife wants the kid and insta family thing, and I don't really. Not sure how it will play out. Why did your marriage life end?

[equipoise]

the stuff below the first paragraph is something i wrote in another thread

honestly answer? i do it because i love it.
bodybuilding makes me content. it gives me something to thrive for.
i can set myself goals, and if i put in a lot of effort i know i will achieve them.
bodybuilding has given me more than any other hobby, any other occupation, anything else in the world has given me.
it has also taught me a lot. about myself and about other people too.

im a student. i do have a lot of free time because my study subjects come pretty easy to me and i would probably pass most exams without even moving a finger.
bodybuilding is something i do in my free time. im not sitting in a basement all day pondering about AAS protocols lol
its just a topic that interests me so i spend a lot of time reading on it.
only my closest friends that i 100% trust know about my gear use. family too. ofc they are not supportive but they must accept that im well versed on the topic and know my shit.

my last relationship with a "normal" woman who had nothing to do with the lifestyle broke... because of bodybuilding.
if it wasnt for that i would have married that girl. 100% serious.
but in the end it was her or my hobby; my lifestyle; my character.

guess what, im still putting the tren into my asscheek  

im currently dating a girl whos a personal trainer. as someone who is as deeply involved in that lifestyle you NEED someone who understands you, is interested in the same stuff and is just as experimental  

a normal social life? of course most of my buddys work out. but thats mainly because nearly EVERYONE at my age works out, at least here and there.
 i have friends outside the gym too, at the university and in my hometown.
id consider myself someone with a healthy social life. of course i dont party much anymore, but ive had my fair share of that when i was younger.  it didnt give me anything. apart from hangovers.
i dont miss a second of that. of course on occasions such as new years eve (today), birthday or when some famous DJ is in town i do go clubbing and get drunk too. otherwise i dont go to clubs much.
i cant identify myself with guys my age who have NOTHING in their life apart from getting drunk. its pointless.
id rather hit bars, restaurants with good friends, yeah.
i dont restrict myself there for some retarded anabolic window LOL


and the financial part, well. i spend twice as much money on food than on "supps" and supps.
i spend less money on AAS/peps/supps per month than a heavy smoker spends on cigarettes. completely serious here.

most important part is that im happy.
if i wasnt, i wouldnt do this.

dunno about you but I find I spend a lot more on support supps and pharm grade ancillaries. E.g. if I run prami I buy pharm grade and that costs a bit. pharm grade aromasin not that cheap also

[Thong Maniac]

the stuff below the first paragraph is something i wrote in another thread

honestly answer? i do it because i love it.
bodybuilding makes me content. it gives me something to thrive for.
i can set myself goals, and if i put in a lot of effort i know i will achieve them.
bodybuilding has given me more than any other hobby, any other occupation, anything else in the world has given me.
it has also taught me a lot. about myself and about other people too.

im a student. i do have a lot of free time because my study subjects come pretty easy to me and i would probably pass most exams without even moving a finger.
bodybuilding is something i do in my free time. im not sitting in a basement all day pondering about AAS protocols lol
its just a topic that interests me so i spend a lot of time reading on it.
only my closest friends that i 100% trust know about my gear use. family too. ofc they are not supportive but they must accept that im well versed on the topic and know my shit.

my last relationship with a "normal" woman who had nothing to do with the lifestyle broke... because of bodybuilding.
if it wasnt for that i would have married that girl. 100% serious.
but in the end it was her or my hobby; my lifestyle; my character.

guess what, im still putting the tren into my asscheek  

im currently dating a girl whos a personal trainer. as someone who is as deeply involved in that lifestyle you NEED someone who understands you, is interested in the same stuff and is just as experimental  

a normal social life? of course most of my buddys work out. but thats mainly because nearly EVERYONE at my age works out, at least here and there.
 i have friends outside the gym too, at the university and in my hometown.
id consider myself someone with a healthy social life. of course i dont party much anymore, but ive had my fair share of that when i was younger.  it didnt give me anything. apart from hangovers.
i dont miss a second of that. of course on occasions such as new years eve (today), birthday or when some famous DJ is in town i do go clubbing and get drunk too. otherwise i dont go to clubs much.
i cant identify myself with guys my age who have NOTHING in their life apart from getting drunk. its pointless.
id rather hit bars, restaurants with good friends, yeah.
i dont restrict myself there for some retarded anabolic window LOL


and the financial part, well. i spend twice as much money on food than on "supps" and supps.
i spend less money on AAS/peps/supps per month than a heavy smoker spends on cigarettes. completely serious here.

most important part is that im happy.
if i wasnt, i wouldnt do this.

Thanks jizz, I think I'm just overall blown away and fascinated by your life because u take health and legal risks More so than even most seasoned and older gym rats. When I was in college, I read a ton about gear, but didn't have the slightest idea or even ability to use it. Your likely much more mature than most at your age, which is fascinating. I was a dumb ass 18-22 college kid, didn't know shit. I'm in my early 30s and feel like I'm just now finding myself.

[Thong Maniac]

dunno about you but I find I spend a lot more on support supps and pharm grade ancillaries. E.g. if I run prami I buy pharm grade and that costs a bit. pharm grade aromasin not that cheap also

Wtf?

[Jizmo]

dunno about you but I find I spend a lot more on support supps and pharm grade ancillaries. E.g. if I run prami I buy pharm grade and that costs a bit. pharm grade aromasin not that cheap also

i run UGL stuff exclusively and have never noticed a difference... i mean when you run a gram of test youll know within a week if your UGL adex is bunk... and pharm ancillaries have never been any better than reputable UGL stuff to me... only research stuff sometimes was crap.

Thanks jizz, I think I'm just overall blown away and fascinated by your life because u take health and legal risks More so than even most seasoned and older gym rats. When I was in college, I read a ton about gear, but didn't have the slightest idea or even ability to use it. Your likely much more mature than most at your age, which is fascinating. I was a dumb ass 18-22 college kid, didn't know shit. I'm in my early 30s and feel like I'm just now finding myself.

well, i would consider myself ahead in terms of mental development and maturity compared to most guys my age.
not bragging here, just from experience... and dont get me wrong, im still a child at heart, but im not one to act crudely or unreasonably or do stupid shit just "because im young".

i moved out and went to college at the age of 18. by then i was training for only 2 years, however id say i did that pretty seriously from day one on.
of course i was still a bit deluded about bulking, mass gaining etc as a natural, but from day one i read into nutrition, training systems etc.

i also started reading into AAS pretty early - not because i was planning on using gear, but because i was interested in that.
of course from that point on it was not that far a way to actual use.
when i had a syringe full of that golden liquid in my hands for the first time i knew i would be doing this forever or not at all.

but since ive been putting my mind and heart into bodybuilding from the first time i had a barbell in my hands i knew this was a step i was willing to take, including all the risks involved. i well aware of these at all times, but sometimes theres no way around doing something.
that fire inside is still burning as strong as on day one, everytime i set a foot into a gym.

[Disco187]

Thanks for chiming in. I'm in my 30s, and have all of what you mentioned. More than most my age could ever want, but I'm not sure if I'm happy. Wife wants the kid and insta family thing, and I don't really. Not sure how it will play out. Why did your marriage life end?

Well the first two years where great thought I met the woman of my dreams (lol boy was I wrong)  she was from moscow and moved over to the states when she was 16 so obviously was russian and had the accent, the looks and all that. After a while things went down hill fast she always thought I was cheating on her which for the first time in my life i was 100 devoted and faithful but if I happend to be a hour late coming home from work or stuck in traffic all hell broke loose, also she was heavy into drinking wine to the point where after a few glasses she would just instigate me until we got into a huge blowout. I am a very laid back buy.  Things just got worse and worse she eventually wanted a kid which i knew was a horrible idea simply because we were constantly fighting, I actually woke up one morning in bed to a knife to my throught because my old secratary from a previous job called me to see how i was doing, that was simply it (never had any type of relationship other then a work relationship).  There is a few more things to the story but i dont want to draw this out I was just simply miserable.  She actuallly never even showed up to court for the divorce and refused to sign the papers so it went in favor of me and since we were renting at the time there was no house to fight over.  Today we are social to each other, I prob reach out to her two or three times a year just to see how things are. Ow and of course the sex was amazing in the begining to the point where i didnt even want to touch her at the end.

[trapz101]

if you are going to cut the high concentration gears down with for example gso do you still need to add some BA in it?

[Thong Maniac]

Well the first two years where great thought I met the woman of my dreams (lol boy was I wrong)  she was from moscow and moved over to the states when she was 16 so obviously was russian and had the accent, the looks and all that. After a while things went down hill fast she always thought I was cheating on her which for the first time in my life i was 100 devoted and faithful but if I happend to be a hour late coming home from work or stuck in traffic all hell broke loose, also she was heavy into drinking wine to the point where after a few glasses she would just instigate me until we got into a huge blowout. I am a very laid back buy.  Things just got worse and worse she eventually wanted a kid which i knew was a horrible idea simply because we were constantly fighting, I actually woke up one morning in bed to a knife to my throught because my old secratary from a previous job called me to see how i was doing, that was simply it (never had any type of relationship other then a work relationship).  There is a few more things to the story but i dont want to draw this out I was just simply miserable.  She actuallly never even showed up to court for the divorce and refused to sign the papers so it went in favor of me and since we were renting at the time there was no house to fight over.  Today we are social to each other, I prob reach out to her two or three times a year just to see how things are. Ow and of course the sex was amazing in the begining to the point where i didnt even want to touch her at the end.

Thanks for sharing. How much money did u have to give up?

[Jizmo]

if you are going to cut the high concentration gears down with for example gso do you still need to add some BA in it?

no
i add BB though, otherwise straight oil becomes too thick

[trapz101]

no
i add BB though, otherwise straight oil becomes too thick

How much bb then?for example my existing gear is already 15%bb..or just enough to thin the oil more at the end?

[theworm]

this is just my thought as this is not directed towards me but i felt like i wanted to chime in.

Ive had 3 monster abcess two which turned into infections from me being stubborn and not going to doctor
and the third i drained myself.  The two trips to the hospital caused me tremendous pain and suffering,

Do I still use gear??? Yes i do and i am in my 30s.  Ive had the hot wife the house the cars the toys the clothing the money etc etc, but my point is. Bodybuilding keeps me stable.  its the whole routine of the diet the discipline to get good night sleeps the training instead of a thursday or friday night happy hour.  Marriage life was not for me, at this age i just dont see a point in it, i have been divorced for a long time now. Gear gives me confidence in many ways i walk taller feel better have more confidence preform at my job better and get plenty of complimants all the time. Call me shallow, but hearing things like that is nice.
IN the past i suffered from depression and heavy rec drug use, been clean for a long time now and yes now my vice is the sauce but if thats how it has to be so be it, Sauce has not effected my life in any negative way at all as far as when i started to the present time.  Everyone has different views on whats important and how they want to feel or look. Maybe im a little self centered but no lie i have a top notch  girlfriend and pretty much nobody ever tries to fuck with me and I like it.

Great post!i have a great job, perfect family and I'm on..   

Sometimes I feel so selfish, like am I jeopardizing my health to look good.   But I love how I feel and look.  When I'm off I feel and look like shit.

[Jizmo]

How much bb then?for example my existing gear is already 15%bb..or just enough to thin the oil more at the end?

as much as needed to make it flow well. dont make it too complicated
20% bb is always good, even 10% works but the oil will be much thicker. ofc you could also use EO, guaiacol or whatever to dilute.

Great post!i have a great job, perfect family and I'm on..  

Sometimes I feel so selfish, like am I jeopardizing my health to look good.   But I love how I feel and look.  When I'm off I feel and look like shit.

i dont have the responsibility for a wife/family or any person whatsoever right now... i dont know if my thinking would be different.
but id definitely say im a better person when i look good and feel good.